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USA 1795 Large 1c Regular Strike Reeded Edge - Is This More Rare Than A Canada 1898-H Large 1c Reeded

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I notice there's another Large Cent reeded edge North American rarity. PCGS has it listed with a population of only 1.

https://www.pcgs.com/valueview/vict...617972&h=pop

Reeded edge coins are indeed rare and this one seems to be standing in as a possible new sought after variety. Just inviting any dialog and letting the forum know there is another variety out there?

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You are showing the photo of the 1898 Canadian cent.
Do you have a photo of the 1795 US cent?
The reeding on this was experimental.
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This is what I found on the PCGS website. I find it interesting that both varieties are on North American Large cents and are only a handful that have "Reeded Edges". More interesting to me is that the rarity of the Canadian variety is population of only 1.

https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin...edge-bn/1383
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Please clarify, what does a United States 1795 Liberty Cap cent have anything to do with an Canadian 1898-H large cent? The mints for the two countries have no correspondence, and these were made between two significantly different time periods in history. The reeding has no connection from one coin to the other.

If clicking through 1795 cents on the PCGS website brought you to Canadian cents, that is most likely a mistake on the website.
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coin14: the Canadian Cent was struck in England, so technically...
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Correct, the 1898H 1c was produced by the Heaton Mint in England. Another interesting fact about reeded/milled edges on coins: Sir Isaac Newton, as Warden of The Royal Mint in the late 17th century, is credited with introducing reeded or milled edges to coins to combat coin clipping, the practice of shaving off small amounts of precious metal from the edge of a coin. This innovation made it much more difficult to tamper with coins without being easily detected.
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Here's some great photo's of this rare variety:

https://auctions.canadiancoinsandpa...n/491/lot/79
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The 1795 reeded edge US Large Cent is not rare specifically because of the reeded edge, but because it is a very rare obverse/reverse die pair that just happens to have a reeded edge. It is the rarest of the non NC Sheldon varieties (S-79,I believe there are 8 known). It may not be rarer than your 1898-H reeded edge Canadian cent, but there are a lot more US Large Cent collectors with deep pockets that want an 1795 S-79. Your coin is interesting, but I'm not sure how many people would want one of those for their collection. I guess we'll find out since it will be auctioned soon.

Have you ever tried to match the dies of your coin to other 1898-H cents? It would be interesting to know the particular obverse and reverse dies that produced it and see if there are other plain edge cents with the same die pair.
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Phil310...Thank you very much for your comments and also for your observation on the possibility of matching the obverse and reverse dies used to produce the 1898H reeded edge Large Cent. Unfortunately, I'm not equipped with the knowledge nor the resources to resolve that mystery. If you or someone in your circle have those skills and are looking for a challenge, I'm grateful for any information you may be willing to share on this topic. Best regards!
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Do you have any other documentation or written expert opinions other than PCGS that the reeding was done at the Heaton mint during the striking of the coin and a reasonable theory as to how it could have been produced there? Just being in a PCGS holder doesn't give me any confidence that it is genuine. I have seen a lot of Canadian Large cents mis-attributed by PCGS as to variety.

I tend to agree with what Smallcentguy said on a previous thread regarding this coin.


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The reeding looks a bit suspicious to me. I am not a minting expert, but I don't see how this could happen unless the cent was minted with a collar for another coin. This would not match the quarter or a British shilling. I don't know what else might have been minted in 1898 of this approximate size with reeding but nothing comes to mind.

Now that it is in a holder it can't really be examined properly. So I think trying to sell this coin could prove to be difficult unless the price is much lower than you would expect.

I always ask which is more likely....that this is a forgery or that this is a mysterious mint product that makes little sense. I would guess forgery.


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