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2017-D Lincoln Shield Cent Obverse And Reverse Die Deterioration?

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OK, Hi CCF! I Found a 2017-D that has a good example of Three different things I keep seeing on multiple Shield Cents, mostly 2017-2018. On both Obverse and Reverse I keep seeing, what appear to be flow lines?, (#1) lines going from the top of the peripheral devices to the rim of the coin? Some extend all the way to the rim, some don't. It gets fairly weird looking when there is a (#2) small ditch around the inboard rim (field) as well. Also I keep seeing different year coins with what appears to be a (#3) "crack" on the top left of the shields rim?
I apologize for asking about 3 things on one coin but it is a great example and I can compress some knowledge into one Topic with one coin hopefully. I have posted Obverse, Reverse and close up of shield. I hope these pictures with the 300kb MAX are clear enough. Thanks ahead of time CCF!
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 Posted 06/23/2025  08:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oddguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Flow lines= Die Deterioration. ditch= ridge line top left shield= very common die crack area.
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Dearborn what does the last D in DDD stand for? I didn't see anything to explain in the link.
Oddguy, ditch = ridge line, can you explain for a newbie? Top left shield = die crack area, I have seen so many of these on LSC already, that must have been getting a lot of pressure in that area if that many dies over the years all failed in the same place, WoW! For this coin that makes total Cents with the amount of Die Deterioration on this one, see what I did there.
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crazy looking DDD on this one. - that Die needed to be retired.


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Dearborn what does the last D in DDD stand for?
Doubling.
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A nice example of Die Deterioration.
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ridge line, can you explain for a newbie?

Actually called a " Ridge Ring". Click on the word " Ridge Ring" for your definition.
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Ridge Ring, got it. Link says "thins periphery devices" wouldn't "elongate Periphery devices" describe what we see better? I imagine it happens when either side of periphery devices field retreats and the letters look like stretch from Casper the friendly ghost movies not just.. anorexia type thin? Maybe I don't understand processes and deterioration enough yet.

jbuck lol there are three D's and when I went to the link it describes two of those are very well represented but not the third, it could be first or second for all my brain cares, it just knows DDD and Die Deterioration does not compute, completely ?

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it just knows DDD and Die Deterioration does not compute, completely

Die Deterioration Doubling: as the die wear from the metal flowing from the center of the coin outwards towards the rim it makes the sharpness of the incuse die details wear out on the rim side edges causing the "Doubled Effect" of letters and numbers.
https://www.error-ref.com/die-deter...on-doubling/
The 1955 "Poorman's Doubled Die" is an example of DDD on the last 5 in the date.
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Thanks for the Triple D explanation and link as well! I learned what incuse (another spell check issue, smh, changed to inuse) and DDD are! Now I just need some practice spotting it and verification from the CCF! Here I come Penny Rolls!
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