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1866 Seated Liberty Half

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This is another one of my stepdads coins I am checking
out for him. Scans once again. This one has both an obv. and rev.
clash. Not apparent on the scans. If a factor in the grade/value etc.
will get some closeups with a cam. Also has 3 areas on the rev. that has some clear resin coating in the fields. From the beak running SW
then east along top of wing, below the same feather to the top edge
of the wreath leaf then a spot from below left talon to the DO in Dollar. I did not want to touch those areas but if the coating can safely be removed please chime in. Thanks.
Just noticed also that the stars are doubled. Right side East (your left)Left side West (your right)That sounds real confusing huh ? :)

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2008.../1866obv.jpg

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2008.../1866rev.jpg



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I can't see any wear on this coin at all, other then the few scratches I would grade this at least MS-62. Great looking coin.
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Great looking coin! I don't see any wear either but it looks like it was wiped/cleaned across the obverse surface.

My grade would be MS63.
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Another great coin! I see only what looks like slight friction, possibly making an AU58 grade. Nice!
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What a gorgeous coin! I can see very little wear on this coin.

I would go MS, possibly to MS62.

Congratulations! (I do admit to a small bit of jealousy...!)
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This isn't one I'm willing to be conclusive about without it in-hand. Could be Mint State, could be AU. I lean towards a strong AU55 or 58; scans show luster as dark areas and the higher points of the obverse devices (arms, legs) are just a little too dark (in the scan) for me to believe the coin Uncirculated.

So I'll grade it about $500.

The clashing isn't really relevant to value one way or the other, but the "coating" probably is. If it can't be removed, then the coin gets a Net grade and a reduction in value of 20-25%. The only user-safe method of removing the coatings is acetone; if that won't work, then this is absolutely a candidate for NCS. If NCS can work their magic on it, then you'll do no worse than AU55 and probably 58 in an NGC slab, and have a pretty significant coin. There are no more than a hundred of higher grade in reputable slabs.
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Hi again. Thanks all of you for the info. I am always on the conservative side and I can see some slight wear on the rim surfaces.
It' pretty close high AU/MS. I am also scrutinizing under 8X loupe.
Please correct me if I am wrong but is 4X the grading standard on magnification ? That coating is so thin and clear. Really annoying.
I can see right through it and the coins surface looks just fine.
only on the obv. I will give the acetone a try. I'm assuming just a soak and not a rub. Please advise. It would be appreciated.
Thanks.
If it comes off clean I will advise my stepdad to let me send it out
for a slab. I think it would be worthwhile.
Still waiting on the 1847 Dollar. It is being processed though.
maybe by the end of the week.
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Most grading is done by eye or with minimal magnification; in any event, no greater than 5x.


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I will give the acetone a try. I'm assuming just a soak and not a rub. Please advise. It would be appreciated.


I'll give you the basic intro; search the word elsewhere in the forum as it's been discussed extensively. I would warn you: Although acetone is chemically inert to your coin and its' use cannot be detected by any method, there are those who would stand against its' use.

First. Acetone is incendiary and hugely volatile and will cheerfully burn your house down if you give it the slightest chance. Use it only in a well-ventilated area.

This is a soak, not a rub. *Nothing* acceptable in the treatment of any coin is a "rub." Ever. Use a jigger glass or something of that size; I've been known to use a juice glass with a shotglass inside it, so the coin does not rest flat which would tend to interfere with the process.

Set the coin in the empty glass first, so you can set it without dropping it, and then pour the acetone in. Use "rubber" tongs (actually a chemically inert material when bought as "coin tongs") if you have them. Me, I cover my work with a pane of glass to keep fumes out of the house and stop evaporation. Give it two hours, grab the coin by the edges, swish it a bit and then start a new soak with fresh acetone. Let this one sit overnight. If there isn't a visible difference in the coating after that, acetone won't help. There have been a couple occasions in my experience where the first soak didn't make a difference, but the overnight did.
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Thanks a lot again to everyone. Dave, I tried the soak and it all came
off clean in just a few hours. It did not leave any residue or marks
nor did it even change the color or surface of those areas it was covering nor any of the rest of the coin. I feel now the AU58 would be a rap. AU55 would be the worse scenario.
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