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Would This Be A 40 Nummis?

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 Posted 06/24/2025  7:07 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Djrev757 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello, would this be a 40 Nummis based on the large M? If so, is anyone able to narrow down which by the limited remaining design. Heavily clipped unfortunately. Thank you very much.
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The "M" is certainly descended from the "M" found on the Byzantine follis or 40-nummi coin. However, by the time this coin was issued, I'm pretty sure nobody remembered what the "M" was there for. Specifically for this coin, which is giving off strong "Arab-Byzantine" vibes for me; I'm not aware of any genuine Byzantine coins where the M is flanked by two figures as if it were a Zoroastrian fire-altar. On Byzantine and on most Arab-Byzantine coins, there's lettering there rather than figures.
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Seems to be a pretty decent match for a 7th Century Follis/40 Nummis of Constans II with the TKW monogram. See here for a comparison:

https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=5156834
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces143731.html

I'm interested to see where we net out on this though.
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 Posted 06/25/2025  7:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Djrev757 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=5156834

Is pretty close, The lettering below the M appears to end in C/L as well with a letter in front. Person on the right is holding something made of dots. The person on the left, the staff appears dotted like the right but attached. On the obvrse the right guy is essentially the same with the left guy being the same outside of I "THINK" he is holding a bow in left hand staff in right. The line from arm to waist appears almost evenly curved top and bottom going into the waist/neck. If any of that helps. But the linked coin is the closest from the 2
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Quote:
8 Reales Supreme National Congress of America - Insurgent coin
...for those worried that this sounds suspiciously like political spam: I thought that too but turns out it's an actual series from early 19th century Mexico.

No relation to these Byzantine coins, though. I suspect it was a mistaken copy-paste error.

on the ID, by the way - interesting type! I'd probably have also thought Arab-Byzantine, but those also tend to have lettering rather than figures on the sides of the M.
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sorry I was researching another coin of mine and forgot to correctly copy and paste his link lol. Corrected the comment
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