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1973-D Lincoln Memorial Cent Obverse Cud?

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Don't mean to burst your bubble but in my opinion, this is a finned rim that has been moved/displaced metal, damage...
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Marve65, uruman, coin rejector, jbuck, -makescents- what do you guys think of my Rim Fin/ partially Retained Cud theory? Throw it out the window or?!?!
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I stand by what I said earlier, I see nothing new to change my mind. As I stated, just my opinion.
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Throw it out the window or?!?!
No. You should keep it and label as an example for future reference.
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Well -makecents- is extremely knowledgeable when it comes to Lincoln Cent anomalies so I'd agree with his assessment!
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Ok so Rim Cud is being rescinded and Rim Finning with possible, not probable until I have a better understanding or someone comes in here and puts school in session, Cud it is.,.,. For NOW I guess. Maybe it's the Reso..,,,. lol J/K

-makecents- help me make sense of the metal movement? Please, your diagram and post are clear but I asked how that could be possible with collar and die ..,, I understand the Fins just not how metal moves?
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-makecents- help me make sense of the metal movement? Please, your diagram and post are clear but I asked how that could be possible with collar and die ..,, I understand the Fins just not how metal moves?
It, in my opinion, is as I stated, misplaced metal. This is damage to the coin, while in circulation, nothing to do with the Mint or minting process, purely post mint damage. Part of the coin with a chunk of it misplaced somewhere else, settling in and smoothed over with time, seen this often over the years.
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Thank you, Marve! Not as smart as some think, just seen some stuff....
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-makescents- ok ok ok let me get this straight. What your opinion is, and please correct me if I am wrong, that the coin had a Rim Fin that has been flattened over the years while in circulation? And Mcents this is post 45! Half way plus a dime to the BIG ONE a full buck that is, maybe a jbuck? Makescents? I'll go back to my CRHunting now.,.,.
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-makescents- ok ok ok let me get this straight. What your opinion is, and please correct me if I am wrong, that the coin had a Rim Fin that has been flattened over the years while in circulation? And Mcents this is post 45! Half way plus a dime to the BIG ONE a full buck that is, maybe a jbuck? Makescents? I'll go back to my CRHunting now.,.,.
I don't think you're getting it. The Rim Fin is something that happens at the Mint, sorry but I thought you understood that and checked it out. What I am saying, is the Rim Fin (during minting) got moved/pushed/displaced (pick your word) to the east (after minting) and settled in where it is now, smoothed over, with time and looks as it does now. Let me know if this does not make sense but not sure how to explain it any better. You do understand what a Rim Fin is, correct? It stands up, higher the the edge of the coin. It was in the description in the link I gave you.
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Yup, definitely on the same page. Sorry for the question marks in my sentences. That is probably the issue. I have a different way of thinking and getting my ideas across. Yes I do understand Rim Fin and did some research but was just verifying I was understanding what you believe happened to the coin.

So, for anyone joining in or wondering what the status is, below I have reposted -makecents- graphic of one of my photos to make this easier for me to describe and others to view the obverse of the coin so I can explain what I think I am seeing. There are three areas I am concerned about. As of now I am still up in the air on the final decision of the coin #3 to be specific, I believe #1 and #2 have been diagnosed well. Of course these are my opinion about what is happening to this coin but please do not hesitate if you feel differently as I am totally open to any other suggestions as we have already seen me flip flop during the beginning of this post as I am still a fresh BOOT when it comes to this subject.

#1. Obverse Rim Fin. The Finning begins at the I of the peripheral device "IN GOD WE TRUST" and goes all the way down until right before Lincoln's bust begins. Check out the first picture in this post and some previous pictures and you can see the raised rim of the Rim Fin on the obverse. Not circled.

https://www.coincommunity.com/forum...-and-cud.jpg

#2. Obverse Rim Fin that has been smashed down after leaving mint most likely during circulation. This is the Yellow Circle section in the second photo of this post, the great graphic -makecents- created, and has a green arrow pointing directly at it. As far I understand it this and number one looked the same at one point in time. Sometime during circulation this was deformed and became what is shown in yellow circle. I understand it is of the opinion that #3 is the same as #2 and that is perfectly fine. We are here to learn and diagnose together.

https://www.coincommunity.com/forum...r-damage.jpg

#3.Obverse "possible" partially Retained Cud or a BIG #2. that's funny but unintentional, so a "possible" smashed/damaged Obverse Rim Fin as well just like #2. #3 is the RED circled with green arrow pointing directly to it. My opinion for the moment is as follows. I see what appears to be Rim Cud, I also see a faint line going from one end of suspect Cud to the other. If you look in the first photo as well as earlier posted photos you can see a "crack" protruding inboard through the D in "GOD" and back outboard, this is the portion I think may be the Retained Cud. My reasoning for this thought is we all thought we saw rim Cud from the get go. I did not know about Rim Fin nor Retained Cud yet and I do not think many noticed the Rim Fin until subsequent photos. Once that was brought to the table I verified we are definitely seeing Rim Fin on obverse and reverse of this coin, verified by touch, sight and coin thickness difference due to misaligned dies causing Rim Fin. Now when I look at the Rim Fin, #1 verified, then #2 the yellow circle I can see and understand how this is a damaged/smashed Rim Fin. My issue and what we are trying to solve is #3 the red circle, if #3 was the same as #2 I wouldn't expect it to be so large and also would not expect to see the suspect "crack" protruding through the D in GOD. To my eyes #3 and #2 look like very different beasts. This is not to say this is a fact, just what I see and how I see it.

I am looking forward to any and all opinions and comments and I hope I explained myself decently enough! Please respond with any and all requests, photos will be provided as requested. Thank you CCF!

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