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Really PCGS? Really? 1825 Half Cent. Are You Sure? Oyyyy

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yes, it is tooled (i.e.: an out-of-Mint caused movement of metal, by an implement) to be dated 1825

You sure it isn't just damage like the label states and not intentional? Seems near impossible to make the 3 in 1835 into the 2 of the 1925.

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Marve65: Yes, I'm sure
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The more I look at it, the more I see a damaged 3. Now, could a tool have caused the damage? Yes. Could it be an improbable hit? Yes. Improbable is not impossible. I am not going to commit to one cause over the other without seeing it in hand.
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IMHO, this PCGS "assembly line" certification error enhances the value of this altered coin. It adds an intriguing storyline to this damaged coin. Furthermore, it begs the reasoning behind certification at large. I'd keep it and not resubmit it!

On the flip-side, I'm saddened to see PCGS rivaling NGC in the blunders department.
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On the flip-side, I'm saddened to see PCGS rivaling NGC in the blunders department.
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Marve65: The think that the referenced "Damaged" is due to the gash on the neck
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Just because you had a rude waiter at the restaurant, doesn't mean the entire restaurant business is faulty.


In this case the restaurant served up salmonella-encrusted chicken. Yes, PCGS is to blame. It is their process: from receipt, to grading, to quality control.
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In this case the restaurant served up salmonella-encrusted chicken
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The think that the referenced "Damaged" is due to the gash on the neck

If that is really the case then PCGS really made a bad call.
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I hardly believe this a fundamental failure of the process.
Simple mistake , like all of the grading services make .
I have at least four or five Each from ANACS , NGC, PCGS .
that are all mislabelled in one way or the other .
Surprisingly, there are collectors who buy "error" labels .
If you are that unhappy over the situation, get it fixed .
The grading services will be only too happy to oblige .
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Probably an 1835. Definitely an altered date.
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Oldgrouchyguy, is this even your coin?
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jacrispies: no, it is not mine-I don't think it's anyone's at the moment. It was in an active auction with bids, but since has been pulled.
Pacificoin: A labeling mistake is having the date "1839" on a 1939 coin's slab, or calling a colonial coin being from Connecticut, when it clearly a Vermont coin (my friend has that one). Nope, this is a much more an egregious mistake than being a simple "Ooopsie". I had a high-grade 3PG 1835 N-12 Large Cent, which had all of its stars re-engraved, a fact missed by the certification agent
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