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1878-S Trade Dollar - Can You Grade This And Explain The Damage?

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Someone listed this coin on ebay for $99 and I snagged it without even thinking twice. It weighs right, measures right, and passes 2/3 markers for a Morgan on Pingcoin consistently, and sometimes all 3 depending on how you hit it. Looks legit. If legit how would an AU/Unc TD end up looking like this? Looks like it was tossed into a wood chipper. If it is legit, and Au/Unc, how would you value such a thing?

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A blind guy was trying to chop mark it!
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The value is what someone is willing to pay. Just like slab grades are not done with any legitimate standards, there is no legitimate system for determining how much value is detracted from a coin based upon the amount of damage.
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i seriously doubt anyone counterfeiting this would chop it up like it is pretty slim as the value is pretty much gone other than a hole filler. I think Earle42 nailed it when assessing value on any coin with damage. this one, however, is quite extensive. i'd call it XF details ( PMD)

a slabbed XF40/45 straight goes for about $400. personally I would not consider this one collectable. A damaged coin could be as low as 20% of retail. I found one with similar damage that sold for $75
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 Posted 10/23/2025  09:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jecz79 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The pair of rim cuts could have been testing if it was genuine silver. The others look just damage. I think unrelated.

Looks still nice to me. I say collectable.
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I think you are under-estimating the current market for Trade dollars. Trade dollars in lower grades than this with graffiti and holes in them sell for $200. This coin is far more collectable than those would be. If you can identify it as a Trade dollar it's $150+ right now. My guess is this coin would sell for $225-250 given time.

Of course it's true every collector has different biases about coin condition. For example I would never buy a coin that had a hole in it or obvious graffiti, but I do buy coins that have been plugged or are a little beaten up. On display in a capsule you don't really see the damage so much, you mostly just see a crisp beautiful Trade dollar. Which is why it's my keeper for now.

I do appreciate you taking a look at it though.

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Even if genuine it would be a hard coin to sell.
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I don't even want this coin for $99.
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To each his own. I'd buy a coin with a hole in it or graffiti on it for the right price.

I was looking at an 1870-CC Seated dollar with a date, 1/10/93, scratched into it rather large and aggressively. I'd consider buying it for about 15-20% of the $2K asking price.
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If you're happy with it, that's all that matters.
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If you like the coin as a $99.99 OBO that is all that matters. I see this as a win-win situation as you were happy
to snag the coin and I am sure he was happy with the sale.
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I don't have a Trade dollar - I'd buy it all day long for $99.
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Everyone needs one. I got lucky with mine, bought from a CCF member.
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It is interesting how the opinion on that coin varies so widely among the community. I'm sure many here are very high-end collectors and that coin would just be throw-away trash to them. But it is good to see there are some, like me, who have to try and own rare coins on a very limited budget. I have to make sacrifices in the condition I will tolerate in order to have coins I consider rare on my desk.

Having said that I've been on the prowl for a Fugio for months but can't find one that is in decent enough condition for what I can afford, $500. I'd be thrilled to get a Fugio in worse condition than that TD, much worse and even holed. But every device and diagnostic is visible on that TD, and this damage to me is far less distracting and destructive than chopmarks. That's a win for me for under $100.
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