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1809 50c Capped Bust Half Dollar #2 Overton-111 R2

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Picked this up and was having some trouble attributing the variety. Any help would be appreciated. [Thanks to Zurie for coming up with the variety attribution.] Also, not sure what is going on in the left obverse field by the eagle's wing. Thoughts? Thanks!
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THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."
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10/18/2025 2:13 pm
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 Posted 10/18/2025  10:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Can't help you with the variety, but I'll say VF for the grade.
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Nice look to it. VF-20.
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I think the T & I alignment leave you with 103 ?
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 Posted 10/18/2025  11:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add numismatic student to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks E&V, IGE and DOCC. There are a bunch of coins with the center TI alignment. The composite panel below shows the subject coin at left and the O-103 at right. Subject coin seems to have the left side of the stalk of T aligned with the left side of I, while the O-103 example I saw at right has the right side of the stalk of T aligned with the right side of I.
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THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."
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Looks like O-111 to me. Not sure what those striations are in the left reverse field.
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Ya NS, the close up shows a bit more centered than 103
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Thanks Zurie. I think O-111 is the one. And thanks to all who attempted to attribute and grade.
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS
THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."
My coin website:https://fairfaxcoins.com
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10/18/2025 2:14 pm
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I'm at F15 on this one NS.
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This came in. Paid $186. Examining the reverse fields, the lines apoear to be changes in color/toning rather than scratches in the surface. Pretty relieved. Further thoughts? Thanks!
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IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS
THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."
My coin website:https://fairfaxcoins.com
Edited by numismatic student
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This is a really interesting coin. I agree with @panzaldi that this is F-15.

I see a few things about the coin. The obverse scratch is older, and shouldn't detail the coin. It is a bit distracting and would affect eye appeal a bit. The reverse especially looks like it has had an older cleaning, but that sure looks market acceptable.

The striations on the reverse are really interesting. There is a long trough from just below the "U" of UNITED through the shield to the eagle's left wing (our visual right). This looks a bit like a well-circulated remnant of a lamination before striking, but it also aligns with what looks more like a scratch across the right half of the lower shield. This is a real mystery, and may be purely coincidental. It doesn't look like circulation or contact marks. It doesn't look like damage from cleaning, graffiti, or anything else. It does look like a planchet issue of some sort, maybe an improper alloy or roller marks. It doesn't look right for adjustment marks, though, so it must be something else. It looks original, and part of the minting process, rather than anything after it left the mint.

My only concern with using a TPG is that they won't spend much time looking at the coin, and could jump the gun and detail it needlessly. IMHO, this straight grades F-15 all day on a bourse floor as a raw coin. I wouldn't let a TPG mess things up on this one. It's a solid coin.
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