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1863 Indian Head Penny Rotated Die Error?

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 Posted 11/11/2025  1:06 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Jalama Bound to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
1863 Indian Head penny Rotated Die Error? I know the coin is old, but would you consider this coin strike normal, or not normal?
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 Posted 11/11/2025  1:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinForMe to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There are a few of these exact dates with a "Rotated-Die-Error" on ebay; IMO, I suppose it would be somewhat normal.
Let's wait and see what our experts on here have to say...
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 Posted 11/11/2025  1:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jimbo48 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have an 1864 L Indian head that has the reverse 180 degrees rotated. I think this type of error with rotated reverses is not to uncommon.
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 Posted 11/11/2025  2:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinForMe to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you, Jimbo, that's what I was thinking (common to this coin).
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I think this type of error with rotated reverses is not to uncommon.
I agree.
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 Posted 11/11/2025  8:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's a minor Rotated Die error. I think Rotated Dies on IHC were somewhat common.
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 Posted 11/11/2025  11:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Marv65 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
All depends on how you flipped the coin! Vertical or Horizontal.

Here's a guage you can print out..........


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With that gauge I've found it a lot easier to put it in a cardboard flip first to keep the angles straight when it's flipped over. My fat fingers trying move the raw coin will always rotate it a couple of unwanted degrees
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Just wanted to weigh in here (I have 20 different Indian cent dates with rotations of at least 90 degrees). Rotations within 15 degrees is considered to be within tolerance and therefore not an error. You don't really get up to added value until you're at 90 degrees (and nothing less than that qualifies to be included on the rotated die census. There are caveats though! There are some dates that are really really rare to see with any rotations, and then it could go down to 45 degrees to be desirable. I have an 1867 with a 55 degree rotation - I've simply never seen a greater rotation on that year in 3 decades of looking for rotations on the series. Then you have the most common years for rotations, and i'll list them here in the order from most common in my experience: 1864 (about half of all rotated Indians on ebay are from 1864!), 1897 (the dies were incorrectly fixed 170 degrees off for a lot of strikes, 1868 (Proof), where the dies were fixed 180 degrees off for 100+ coins, and then 1863. I am aware the rotateddiecensus estimates that between 13 and 30 Indian cents exist from 1863 with rotations between 90 and 180 degrees. At one point I had half a dozen myself, so I think the 13-30 is underestimated. All the while, there's only a premium where there's demand. The reality is that not too many people will pay a premium for these, and rotated dies are probably the most affordable rare errors on the whole Indian Head cent series.
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