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Tetradrachm Form Amphipolis : Probably A Copy, But.

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 Posted 12/14/2025  2:42 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add ancient67 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi all,

I purchased this tetradrachm from Amphipolis in an Auction House in Australia.

Size : 23 mm
Weight : 14,98 gr

The weight is slightly excessive. The coin is extremely rare. There are all the elements to conclude that it is a copy. On the other hand, it is quite convincing at a stylistic level, even though it does not match perfectly any exemplar I could find in the standard references, including Catharine C. Lorber's book on the coinage of Amphipolis.

I believed that such a goldish patina was almost impossible to imitate...

So, an old copy? An excellent fake?

Any thoughts? I don't really believe in NGC for grading. They are not better experts than the best numismatists in great auction houses. I will probably consult the latter. But do you have any thoughts about it?


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 Posted 12/14/2025  2:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ancient67 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I forgot to say: it is tested silver
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 Posted 12/14/2025  3:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@anc, can you please add a couple pics showing the edge (for completeness)? The details on the obverse and reverse sides seem quite fine to have been cast though. Thx.
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 Posted 12/14/2025  3:50 pm  Show Profile   Check Victor's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Victor to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Compare (especially the obverse) with this coin sold in 2006 on ebay as a reproduction struck in silver


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 Posted 12/14/2025  4:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ancient67 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you Victor. Yes, it is almost a perfect match. The edges are normal (in the sense : no thin line showing a moulding)
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 Posted 12/14/2025  4:30 pm  Show Profile   Check Victor's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Victor to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Good reproductions are struck, not cast.
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Just as a casual observer: I do find it interesting that both coins have a metal blob 2/3 down the left side of the square and a die dot above the flame near the top left corner. Is the implication here that these were struck from the same die?
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 Posted 12/14/2025  5:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ancient67 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I do think it is the same die. Only the finition (worn, patina) are different.
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 Posted 12/14/2025  5:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Could be a die chip, but that feature can appear on the original (genuine or reproduction? ) die.

I notice that minor clothing detail is slightly different in each of the coins.
HOWEVER, that does not necessarily mean that either of them is irrefutably genuine,
because minor modifications can easily be made on the die by the forger.


When testing for silver, XRF is not a totally conclusive proof in this case.
When testing metals in ancient coins, it is necessary to look for minor impurities and their proportions, and not necessarily for silver, although silver must predominately present at over (say) 98%.

Other corroborative testing and examination should be done on this coin to improve the confidence if genuine or otherwise.


A good reference on the subject of forgery of numismatically significant coins is
Numismatic Forgery by Charles M Larson Copyright 2004
ISBN 0-9742371-2-3, publ. Zyrus Press Irvine, CA.
(Gives good insight in hoe very quality forged coins are made that can even evade a cursory examination by professionals, - as can sometimes happen with internationally recognized auction houses.)
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 Posted 12/16/2025  7:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jecz79 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have no strong opinion. But the head facing right combined with the reverse without symbols is cause for suspicion.
This one you show is unimpressive in craftsmanship compared to the ones I have seen. The hair is much simpler.

I can believe yours and the one depicted by victor come from the same source and are struck with a modern die.
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 Posted 12/20/2025  08:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ancient67 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with you, unfortunately
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In my opinion, the text is very stiff, and from my research on the carving techniques of that time, the depth of the text does not match the carving techniques of that era.But of course, there are some good replicas with very good text carving techniques, such as Indian Greek imitations. So far, we still cannot determine the authenticity of some ambiguous products.
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