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Colonial American Half Penny?

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 Posted 06/11/2009  2:18 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I came across this well worn coin in a lot I bought last week. At first I thought it was just a George III halfpenny, but after looking at it more closely it looked more like a Colonial coin. Because of how worn it is it's going to be very difficult to be certain. But what do you think?


Colonial-American-Half-Penny?????

Colonial-American-Half-Penny?????

Obverse reads: GEORIOVS III, hard to make out the next word but looks like WAS or VAS. Reverse reads: BRIT rest worn away. Image appears to be Britannia seated facing left outstretched arm holding a cap on a stick
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1788 colonial coppers look very like that , it sure looks like a liberty cap on the end of the spear and I've read something on that..but in the Red Book theres pictures of what looks like your coin , its not a cap though , more like a branch or small tree looking thing.
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Might be a post-colonial. Can't match the obverse head or reverse with any of the pictures in the RedBook (2008) May need a more comprehensive book that specializes in early American coppers. That deep sunken eye-socket differs from all the "large bust facing right" pics.
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It looks like it could be a George III Half Penny or Farthing from the UK. It depends on how wide it is. Similar to this one.

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It's difficult to be certain, but it doesn't look like the British halfpenny issue. I am certain that it is a cap and not a branch that she is holding this doesn't appear on the British issue.
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Thats the design in the 2009 RedBook Bryan , that branch thing , like a wee xmas tree.
Its the closest I've seen,ive seen nothing with a cap in that hand at all.

Hey echizento , have a look at the 8 escudoes in the ID section , theres that cap on a stick dude.I know yours cant be Mexican but its that cap thing going on in the correct hand.
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This is a British evasion piece. During the latter half of the 18th century Britain suffered from a chronic shortage of small coin especially coppers. This void was filled by counterfeits, tokens, and evasion pieces. Counterfeits were exactly what they sound like, fake lightweight coins made to look like the real thing. The tokens (Conder tokens) made little or no attempt to copy the regal coins and first were more storecard or advertising tokens. The evasion pieces wer made to look like the regal coinage but the legends were typically misspelled or fanciful. The makers relied on the fact that most of the population could not read and that the similar looking inscription would result in the coins being accepted.

Why did they use that method? Because the law at the time only permitted a person to be charged with counterfeiting, a serious offense, if his product was made in "exact similitude to the regal coinage". By changing the legends the coin was no longer an exact copy and the maker was able to evade the counterfeiting laws. Hence the term "Evasive pieces" or Evasives"

This piece seems to be a mule not listed in Cobwright.

The obv is clearly G.0835 a right facing bust with the legend GLORIOVS. III VIS

That obv is listed with 5 different reverses, none of which match this one.

The rev seems to be B.0168 which is the only rev that has four letters on the left starting with B and ending with an I or T. (BRIT AIN)

But that rev is only listed as coming with obv G.0714 A left facing bust with the legend GEORGVIS II. RFX

So this would be a new listing G.0835/B.0168 (It may already be known but there has not been a new edition of Cobwright since 1993.)
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Thanks for the information, that explains the spelling errors in the inscription.
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Condor,
THANX for the detailed description.
Quite informative.
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