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1936 Buffalo Nickel: DDO Or Just Convincingly Smooshed?

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For $1.74 including shipping, I figured what the heck. The foot of the L is thick, and the E has that weird elf boot tip. The 93 has thick bottoms. The perimeter of the coin has definitely been flattened by circulation and scraped by coin wrapping machines. What say ye, o' sages of Buffalo nickels? Doubled die or just plain smooshed? =)

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Looks like circulation flattening to me.
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Would you be willing to post a few additional photos? There is a chance that this could be 1936 FS-101/DDO-001/WDDO-001, but that can be a beast to differentiate from circulation wear or contact marks on more circulated coins.

EDIT: On the higher grade coins, the doubling on the lower curl of the "9" and the upper loop of the "B" in LIBERTY are clear, and the markers are easy to verify. IMHO, if there isn't clear evidence for this DDO, it simply has to be chalked up to "we'll never know."

There are a few die markers that aren't well flagged on the two major sites, probably because they aren't consistent through all of the die states.
Obverse:
There are multiple very short north-south die scratches throughout the part in the Indian's hair.
There are light but long die scratches directly from the tip of the third feather passing very close to the second feather to the rim.
The hoof clash is sometimes visible just above the lower bar of the "L" in LIBERTY. This is an iffy and generally later die state marker.
There are very short WSW-ENE die polishing lines from the lower right crossbar on the "E" to the immediate left area of the left leg pof the "R" in LIBERTY.
There is a small, light die crack running W-E along the very bottom of the Indian's nostril
On middle and later die states, there is a light W-E die crack through the middle of the second feather, turning sharply S-N on the inside right of that feather.
The tip of the lower curl in the "9" is doubled. This rarely is visible on more circulated coins.

Reverse:
There are SE-NW die polishing lines between the buffalo's rear legs. on middle and later die states, these run counter to the direction of predominant polishing between the rear legs and forelegs
On some coins, there are very small die gouges above the ankle on the buffalo's left foreleg. These are not always visible, even on higher grade coins.

Would it be possible to see photos of:
The part in the Indian's hair, especially just to the right of the feather tie
just the ER of LIBERTY, with good lighting in the tiny gap between the lower crossbar of the "E" and the "R"
The bottom of the Indian's nostril
The area from the tip of the third feather to the rim next to the second feather, and also showing the middle of the second feather
a better lit view of the space between the buffalo's rear legs

My hunch is that this coin will prove to be circulation wear or be impossible to verify, but it's worth a closer look just to give it a shot. Here is your obverse photo with the 5 areas of obverse interest circled:

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fortcollins, as always, I am impressed by your encyclopedic knowledge of markers on these coins!

I fear that circulation has erased all the tiny forensic clues, but I think I have received far more than $1.74 worth of education on this thread. I will definitely go through the PCGS image catalog later and scour the mint state coins for these markers.
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I agree, it's tantalizingly close, but there just isn't enough to verify the variety. The lower bar of the "L" definitely is thick, and the letters definitely are extended, but that could be from Die Deterioration or Machine Doubling or circulation. At that price, I would have snagged it, too, just to see.

What everyone wants to see are the doubling on the nob of the 9 and separation on the top of the "B," and neither of those can be seen here because of the wear. Even on VF coins, the "B" shows light separation. Here, it's almost there, but I can't see a split. The nob on the "9" rarely is visible below EF.

The die scratches in the hair part look right, but aren't unique to this coin. The short scratches between the "E" and "R" of LIBERTY are also right, but again aren't unique to this coin. On the closeup photo, I can't quite make out the scratches from the third feather to the rim, but they seem to be there on the whole-coin obverse photo. That one's a maybe. My notes don't say if these scratches are unique to this die pair. Wexler does list this one as a marker, though.

There is a die crack that turns northward on the second feather. My notes say that on DDO-001, the crack is W-E and then turns north along the inside right edge of the feather. On your coin, the crack looks more SW-NE, then curving northward, and looks closer to the rachis than the inside edge. I wish I had photos from one of the coins I've handled, but I don't. Die cracks in this area are common, though.

Die cracks on the nostril are also common, but on DDO-001 my notes say that it runs along the very bottom of the nostril, and that's a bit unusual. I can't see that crack here, but that's an area that gets wear on lower grade coins, so I'm not surprised.

I'd call this a "we may never know" coin. Somebody else may have more insight and be able to make a definite call, but I've exhausted what I know here.
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I thought that would be the eventual conclusion on this coin, but it was still a fun exercise. Thanks for all the knowledge. =) The coin had a long acetone soak today, so these are the final pictures. The flip will get labeled "Candidate DDO, unconfirmed due to wear".

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nice nickel Brand - hopefully, at some point you will be able to determine it fate as a DDO or not.

and Thanks FortCollins for the great education on this coin.
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Nice coin Brand and thanks to ForthCollins for shearing that knowledge .
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Just one more note on DDO-001. There is a difference in the direction of the primary die polishing between Stage A and Stage B/C. The dies were polished fairly heavily twice during the life of the DDO-001 die pair. The stage differences will change how the markers look. That's important when comparing a target coin with known examples.

In general, most of the 1936 dies (like a lot of other dates) were polished far more than necessary for clash removal, and many die pairs have primary polishing in similar directions. This makes the primary polishing a useless marker to identify any particular die pair, but more useful for stage identification if the coin is otherwise attributable.
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That has been one of the confusing aspects in looking at Buffalo nickel varieties. Markers can seem to disappear between stages. Also, the Wexler catalog often lists written markers with no photos. The old CONECA listings on Variety Vista only show the selected areas. The only source of full coin photos is PCGS, and for some varieties (like this one) the TrueView coins are limited.

I went through the PCGS listings and located one coin with the nose crack and feather crack. The DDO features vary on many other coins, to the point where I wonder if multiple similar die are represented. (Worth noting, I have a suspicion that the most heavily circulated specimen represented isn't actually FS-101 at all).
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