Unknown Waterloo Silver Token Or Medal Jun XVIII 1815? (Id: Hannover German Remembrance Medal)

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Eliyahu New Member Israel 25 Posts	Posted 06/20/2009 4:01 pm Hello to all numismatics out there, This medal or token is very tiny. Only 12 Millimeter (With the loop 13 mm') in diameter and weight 0.86 Grams only !. Have a Cout of Arms on reverse side (The symbol above the word Waterloo), which I can't identify. English or Franch (More likely English)? Legend in the center of the reverse says: WATERLOO JUN XVIII . This makes me think it's sort of medal related to the famous battle of waterloo. The battle started on June 18 (= XVIII, as in the medal) in 1815. Letters are very hard to read, in fact I couldn't read the legend at all until I pictured the medal, and even than all what I saw was "WATERLOO JUN XVIII". On obverse, there is a word, on the right side of the mans head that might be "Regent" (I'm not sure) but if it is regent, could this be the head of George IV which was the regent of the United Kingdom (1811-1820)? On reverse It might be the word "Hannover", again, I'm not sure (See the beginnig of inscription on left, reverse). If this is what it said, it lead me to George IV because he was also king of Hanover. Can't read anymore of the inscription - which itself very strangly made. Could this be some sort of early tranch art? Very strange thing this is. It looks like medal/medallion because of the suspension loop at the top, but it is very very small (Actually, the smallest of all the medals in my collection). At last my Questions are: A)Who made this medal, token or whatever it may be? B)Is it French or British or some other country? C)For what use it was made for (Commemoration or other?) D)Is it made in 1815 as I imagine? E)Who is the person on the obverse side of the piece? Many thanks for all helpers & regards from the Holy land, C. Eliyahu. Report this Post to the Staff

chrisild Pillar of the Community Germany 1238 Posts	Posted 06/21/2009 08:57 am The text is hard to read indeed, but as you suspected, this is George IV who at that time (1815) was prince regent. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George...ited_Kingdom The German text around his portrait says GEORG PRINZ-REGENT 1815. Now as for the other side, yes, I see HANNOVER too, but the rest is difficult to decipher ... (Edit) Your piece look similar to this decoration: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterl...e_(Hannover) According to that article, the thing above the word WATERLOO is an arms trophy, and the text at the top says HANNOVERSCHER TAPFERKEIT, ie. Hannover(ish) Bravery. But there are a couple of differences between the Waterloo Medal, as shown in that link, and the piece that you have. Hmm. Christian Edited by chrisild 06/21/2009 09:16 am Report this Post to the Staff
Eliyahu New Member Israel 25 Posts	Posted 06/21/2009 10:20 am THANK YOU SO MUCH !! This piece was always a mystery to me until you came. The medal on the link that you gave me is indeed simmilar to this one. Before I didn't notice the date on obverse side because it is blurred and connected to the rim, but now I can see it has the exact inscription as you said "GEORG PRINZ-REGENT 1815" but in diff' style (As you said):The bust on obverse is turning left, and in the link - to the right. Also, diff' style of inscription on obverse. The piece I have have also an error of die break (Maybe two: one from the head to the date, the other to the left of the head, from his ear downwards). So far, I have red the translation of the link you gave me, and found out that the simmilar medal is 35 mm' - mine is only 12 mm' (13 including the loop). Will continue research with the help of this new info' and try to find out more. Now I have something to work with! Thank you ever so much mate, C. Eliyahu. Report this Post to the Staff
valutarick Valued Member Netherlands 376 Posts	Posted 06/21/2009 11:16 am This medal is a German remembrance medal issued in the city of Hannover during festivities of 50 years Napoleon's defeat at Waterloo in 1866. It was given by the Hannoverian authorities to the people. Mind you, Germany as we know it, was made an empire in 1871. Before that, each city or kingdom had the right to issue their own money. Hannover Mint would have fabricated this exonumia. Report this Post to the Staff
Eliyahu New Member Israel 25 Posts	Posted 06/21/2009 11:34 am Hello Valutarick, It's a possibility, because as to now I've found many info' on the 35 mm' medal but none on the small one of mine. The Question is why would they do such thing? If they wanted to fabricate the original medal, why would they create Var so small and not in the same size? Secondly, why making it so small at all - The inscription is very hard to see without enlargement. Thirdly, why would they create a diff' Var to the medal (Head facing the other way, diff' inscription style ext')? Still, I take it as possiblity. Thank you very much for the reply, C. Eliyahu. Report this Post to the Staff
valutarick Valued Member Netherlands 376 Posts	Posted 06/23/2009 08:39 am Nowadays people use internet to share a common intrest, in those days at an festivity you ought to have a portrait of the king or queen or whomever the festivity was held for. At fairs you could buy those thingies for a few cents, pfennigs, grosze, pence or whatever the currency was. The common worker had not a lot to spend for as an aristocratic did, so crude copies of bronze, silver or goldmedals which the gentry bought where beyond reach. After the festivities, people used to take a nail and bang those thingies in a wooden cabinet or against the wall at the sometimes mutual room visitors could come in. These tokens were not taxable, so when you were in debt to the Government or landlord or whomever, these thingies you could keep as a reminder to better times, and therefor they were quite popular those days in the same ways you now have digital camera and social computer networks, alike this forum. A writer like Victor Hugo and Charles Dickens who were always short of cash were known collectors of such exonumia. Report this Post to the Staff
Eliyahu New Member Israel 25 Posts	Posted 06/23/2009 11:33 am Very interesting Valutarick, I learn something everyday. Wonderful info', Thank you very very much. C. Eliyahu. Report this Post to the Staff
valutarick Valued Member Netherlands 376 Posts	Posted 06/26/2009 5:48 pm you are welcome, and remember, life is a discovery channel, so your collection can be also! Report this Post to the Staff
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