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1895 Indian 1 Cent - Help Grade Thi One

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 Posted 07/23/2009  4:25 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add gran to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi there - first of all nice to meet you all - I am newbie in here and I am from Bulgaria so please excuse my poor english.. see you all have some good skills grading US coins so please help grade this sweet little Indian cent - 10x a lot!

so this is the coin

1895-Indian-1-Cent---Help-Grade-Thi-One

1895-Indian-1-Cent---Help-Grade-Thi-One

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 Posted 07/23/2009  6:48 pm  Show Profile   Check vermontensium's eBay Listings Check vermontensium's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's great to have you here. First of all, your English sounds perfect! I would call this a VF30 but unfortunately, looks like it may have been cleaned.
Might just be the lighting. The obverse looks original.
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 Posted 07/23/2009  6:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
, to the community,

I'm going to grade this a little lower at VF-25, and it does look like it has been cleaned at sometime.
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The reverse looks EF40 with the obverse around VF25. Are you sure that's the same coin?

VF30 seems like a fair grade overall. It's not a high value coin so I wouldn't be too concerned about an old cleaning.

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I agree with the cleaning/polishing and an XF-40 reverse. The obverse does look weaker, but I think that it in part is due to the photo, so I'd be a bit more generous and guess VF-35 details. It does kind of look like a different coin.
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 Posted 07/24/2009  04:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gran to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
10x all.. its really a low-price coin but the difference between reverse and obverse made me post it here for a grade.. this is the same coin but the reverse look much better even with a shiny luster. Maybe after all I should agree in case like this the grade of the worse side.. something between VF20 - VF25
And one more question - does it look like cleaned from both sides or just the weak obverse - how do you tell there was a cleaning - I am really a newbie in coin collecting and it is very interesting to me to know how to make the difference and avoid cleaned coins in future.
Here is another link of the same coin but here is a scan of the same reverse http://dox.bg/files/dw?a=66464bcdd6
and again obverse http://dox.bg/files/dw?a=cd166441f9
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but the reverse look much better even with a shiny luster. Maybe after all I should agree in case like this the grade of the worse side.. something between VF20 - VF25
And one more question - does it look like cleaned from both sides or just the weak obverse


Just to clarify...I think folks are saying the reverse looks like it has been cleaned.

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It is the reverse that looks cleaned. The color is too bright and brassy for a copper coin that is worn to the VF or EF level. If you compare this reverse to original Indian cents with similar wear I think the difference will be obvious. An excellent resource is the Heritage auction site which offers photos of coins previously sold in their auctions. You can join Heritage for free and your membership gives you access to their auction archives. Here's a link to their website: http://coins.ha.com/ .
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 Posted 07/24/2009  11:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
One problem here is that it appears that the two sides were photographed in different condition, the reverse looks like it had a flash while the obverse looks like external lighting. Using a flash can sometimes throw a glare on a coin and give it the appearance of being cleaned. You may want to try and reshoot the coins in the same light conditions.
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 Posted 07/24/2009  12:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Choice VF30 with a better reverse and trapped dirt in A and R.
I agree it almost looks like two different coins.
I don't think it was cleaned or they would have cleaned out the gunk in the lettering as well or they just cleaned one side.
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 Posted 08/06/2009  8:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add poconopete to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks to have been cleaned up some. I'd give it a VF25
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