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 Posted 07/24/2009  5:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gee to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
SuperDave, my pictures you showed on here show some slight radial scratches to the left hand side of the "heads" side of the coin, where are the same scratches on the right side of the coin to indicate "wizzing"?
also on the "tails" side, where are the abrasions to match? I would like you to show me as in previous messages the points that differentiate the Chapman to a normal dollar with regards to the talons, as you did with the "scratch" in the ear. The main point I am making is that I have a coin that seems to fit various charastictics of a Chapman, you say not, but the talons and fletch seem the same, please indicate as you did with the mark in the ear what else I need to look for, because apart from the scratches on the "heads" side the coin seems in very good condition for a general circulation, or selective circulation coin.
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 Posted 07/24/2009  6:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add steve199 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Are we confusing reeds (on the actual coin edge) with denticles (on the edge of the coin surfaces)?


Oops, my bad.
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 Posted 07/25/2009  02:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The reeds are on the edge of the coin. None of the pictures presented have shown any of them.
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 Posted 07/25/2009  06:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gee to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am confused!!
SuperDave, your quote!
"The reverse dies, called D1 and D2, are characterized by these features: There are 17 berries in the wreath of D1, and 16 in D2, with the extra berry being found at the viewer's top right - D1 has a berry on the inside of the wreath here, and D2 does not. The top arrow fletch of D1 meets the eagle's talons at the center talon, whereas with D2 the fletch meets the eagle's talons between the right (viewer's left) and center talons. The olive branch on D1 is noticeably weaker than D2 in this area.

The coin shown here has the characteristics of a D2 reverse, most easily visible through the talon features I mention. Chapman Proofs used the D1 reverse. This coin, therefore, cannot be a Chapman Proof"

Qoute from "COINFACTS"
"Chapman" Proof, named after the Philadelphia coin dealer, Henry Chapman, whose name appears on a Mint invoice (dated June 11, 1921) selling him "10 proof silver dollars 1921". For years, the mintage was thought to have been limited to only the ten coins, but now we know that additional "Chapman" Proofs were struck. PCGS alone has certified 40 examples, the finest of which is a single PR-66 that far outshines the 13 PR-64's that are at the next level below. The only Proof Cameo example graded by PCGS is a single PRCA-64. "Chapman" Proofs are super brilliant and have only 16 berries in the wreath on the reverse, as opposed to 17 on the "Zerbe" Proofs. Additional die characteristics include a hollow area around Morgan's initial on the truncation line on the obverse (caused by die polishing) and light die striations around UN, AM, and RICA on the reverse.

You say the Chapman uses "D1" reverse with 17 berries? but the coinfacts page stares the Chapman has 16 berries, so it must use the "D2" die? this is so confusing. the 2 texts contradict each other
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 Posted 07/25/2009  12:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here's a Chapman Proof, currently residing in a PCGS PR64 slab (images borrowed from Heritage Auctions):

Morgan-Silver-Dollar

Morgan-Silver-Dollar

The details of the arrows/talons:

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Here's a D2 reverse, from my own collection:

Morgan-Silver-Dollar

You can clearly see the differences in the thickness of the olive branch, and where the top fletch meets the talons. I'm not sure where Coinfacts got their information (both the Chapman and Zerbe proofs used the same reverse die type), but I disagree with it.

The 17th berry is vestigal at best. Here's a D1 reverse from my collection - it has one of the strongest 17th berries I've seen (note, the scratch in the detail pic is on the slab and not the coin):

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It's likely that the polishing process removed most of the 17th berry for the Chapman proofs, but one can still see some of it in the example I've posted here.
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 Posted 07/28/2009  4:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add billytk to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Where is the mint mark on his coin? the mint mark on mine is an "s" just above dollar on the reverse. I don't see one on his.
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 Posted 07/28/2009  6:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
no mint mark is from Philly
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