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1992 LMC Close AM (Slab Pics Added)

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Check this out, the worst day ever roll searching. 100 rolls 2 wheats (46 F and 44 vg)lots of junk, very little copper. Looked like someone had returned the rolls to the bank after searching based on the date groupings in each roll. Then on the 99th roll 3/4 of the way through I found what I am sure is a 92 Close AM . Made all those other rolls worth the search.
Kie

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 Posted 07/24/2009  5:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bmanofnbc to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
From what I can see in those pictures it sure does look like one.

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 Posted 07/24/2009  5:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bibd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's truly amazing! There isn't enough dancing fruit to celebrate an extremely rare find like this.
(When I hear stories like this I need to be careful not to get dragged out of roll-hunting retirement!)
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bmanofnbc sorry about the pics, I am a mechanic by trade and every time I get near a computer it loses 20% of its functionality. I scanned the pics to photoshop and just saved which made them .psi? which doesn't work here. When I realized that and converted them to .jpg it made them a little fuzzy, but I was so pumped over this find I had to post right away.

bibd Sorry I can't send any fruit in the quick reply mode. I think you should start roll hunting again, it's a great roller coaster ride!!
Kie
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What a super rare find. Good going newbie !!
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That's a real good find and at just 13, amazing.
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Hi rockdude Been around awhile just don't post much. Lets just say the job tends to keep me from home alot.

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 Posted 07/24/2009  8:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add huntsman53 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have to admit that the "AM" in AMERICA looks good but I am concerned with the (FG) Designer's Initials position! They just don't appear to be separated enough from the Memorial Building. Could there be the possibility of a Transitional Error? Seems highly doubtful but not impossible!


Frank

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huntsman53 Not sure what you are talking about(I am not familar with all any of the attributes for this variety) I rescanned the reverse and saved using .jpg format and I think this is a much better photo. Thanks
Kie

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PS anyone have a good way to remove the spots of corrosion.
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Yup, that is the correct reverse. FG is right where it is supposed to be. AM is also. Also notice how both the A and M together are somewhat
seperated form ERICA. Whereas on the Wide AM all the letters are evenly spaced. Just another diagnostic. I was just curious about the
obv. Got a bigger pic. of the date ?
Other wise looks good.
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Bullnuke....huntsman53 Not sure what you are talking about(I am not familar with all any of the attributes for this variety) I rescanned the reverse and saved using .jpg format and I think this is a much better photo. Thanks
Kie


Kie,

That is a much better picture of the Reverse and I am 100% certain that you have a winner! For understanding the differences between the diagnostics of the " Close AM" and " Wide AM" Reverses on Lincoln Cents, check out the following links below.

http://varietyvista.com/1992DRDV007%20cent.htm

http://koinpro.tripod.com/Articles/...arieties.htm

Per your P.S., do not attempt to remove any spots of corrosion on the coin or attempt any cleaning of any kind. You have a fairly valuable coin and would destroy much of it's value if you were to do so! If you are concerned about the corrosion, then send the coin to NCS for conservation, then have them send it over to NGC for grading, certification and attribution of the Variety. They are part of the same Corporation, just different departments that work towards conserving, grading, certification and attribution of Error, Variety and Normal coins. Check out the links below for more information of their' services.

http://www.ncscoin.com

http://www.ngccoin.com


Frank

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indian1 rescanned and saved in .jpg format(I think I am becoming computer friendly)

huntsman53 will take your advice and not attempt to clean. Do you really think it is worth sending to NCS?
Kie
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Hi

Thanks. I would just send it along to anacs.
Would save you a few bucks. I really don't see the big
thing with nGC or pcgs. Anacs has been around the longest
and has been doing varieties all along.
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awesome find dude! congrats!
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Vary nice find congratulations
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Bullnuke...huntsman53 will take your advice and not attempt to clean. Do you really think it is worth sending to NCS?
Kie


Kie,

First off, I would contact someone at Coneca...possibly Mike Diamond at http://www.conecaonline.org0 or Ken Potter at http://koinpro.tripod.com/ to have the coin looked at. As far as I know and of this date, there has been only one other 1992-P " Close AM" Lincoln Cent (the Discovery specimen) found so far and your's is several grades higher in condition. So, yes! Once Coneca or Ken Potter verifies that it is a genuine 1992-P " Close AM" Lincoln Cent, it would be worth the cost of having it conserved before grading, certification and attribution. Off course, if Coneca or Ken Potter puts their' seal of approval on the coin, then you could just submit it for grading, certification and attribution, then sell it and let the buyer worry about the corrosion (possibly getting worse). However, by having it conserved then graded, certified and attributed, the coin might fetch more at auction but then again it may not!

For more information about this Variety, go to the link below. I have also copied and pasted the article from Coneca's website and have highlighted the important parts in bold print.


Good luck...Frank

http://hermes.csd.net/~coneca/

November 23, 2008 -- CONECA Member, Joe Thompson reports finding a 1998 ' Wide AM' Lincoln Cent in his pocket change. In the image of the uppermost coin you can see the normal ' Close AM' variety, which sports an M of AMERICA that is shifted close left to A of AMERICA and far from the E. The lower image is of the ' Wide AM variety, which exhibits an M that is well centered between the A and E of AMERICA. Frank Gasparro's designer initials, FG, are found further from the lower right side of the Memorial building on the ' Close AM' variety than on the Wide AM where they are, of course, closer.
The ' Wide AM' variety was created when the Mint inadvertently processed dies intended for proof coinage as business strike dies. The same error occurred again in 1999 and 2000. Conversely, some 1998-S and 1999-S proof cents can be found mated with a reverse die bearing the ' Close AM' business strike reverse processed as proof dies. Additionally, somehow just before the transition in 1993 after the new ' Close AM' dies were prepared at least one ' Close AM' die (for each Mint) was used to produce a very small quantity of 1992 and 1992-D cents with the Close AM design (everything prior to 1993 should have been ' Wide AM'). These are presumed by some to be test-strikes minted at the end of 1992 to make sure the dies were compatible for striking with the obverse designs. Both 1992 and 1992-D ' Close AM' varieties are very rare in any grade. Another more minor reverse design style transitional variety is known for the 1988 cent. You can learn more it here: Design Varieties http://www.varietyvista.com/Design%20Varieties.htm.

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