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I am not very good at picking these out. I did check 'em all out and I think this may be a VAM 189. It has the open 'O' in GOD, broken 'r' in trust, polished out feathers and appears to have the extra engraving lines in the wing. I know the grade is not great - F-12. What do the experts think?   |
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WW, nice find if it is. Can we get a close up lower right wing and leg. Even in this condition it should show the reengraved wing feathers clear enough to make a positive identification.
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Here is the detail  |
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WW, with the open O, this coin should be in the B2b reverse series. Can't find any to match. I also don't see the distinctive squared look between the leg and wing for the reengraved feathers on the 189. I do see what appears to be some problems on the obverse motto. P in Pluribus appears to be broken at the top and U appears to be doubled on the inside left. See if you can match this coin to any of the 160 series. Interesting coin.
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WW, I don't believe it's a 189 as those re-engraved feathers appear more prominent in the VAMworld photos. Check the base of the 'P' in PLURIBUS. It appears to have "right-side" doubling. Match that diagnostic up with one of the 160-series VAMS (and hope for a 166, but a very long shot). I don't have access to VAMWorld from where I'm sitting now, but start with a 168.  |
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Ahhh, all Morgan minds pretty much think alike.
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WW, I hit this again last night when I had access to VAMWorld and with that open 'O' it can't be a 166. I'm still unable to attribute this one from the photos provided, but am confident that I narrowed it correctly. Rev of 78, short nock, with broken 'r' in Trust puts it in the 160~189 grouping. Some of these have closed 'o' and some are open. The key to the grouping is that broken 'r'. I checked this against the VAM 168 and don't believe that's a match either ... too many missing diagnostics. If you want to attribute it, go to VAMWorld and using a 10x try to find matching diagnostics in this grouping. The doubling at the base of the 'P' in PLURIBUS is the key in my opinion. Once you've made a match you can bounce results off us and we'll be glad to confirm or deny. |
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I didn't have time last night to check those again. I went through the VamWorld list once. I must have missed my match. Nothing new there, my wife always says 'I missed the mark'!  When I get home tonight, I will reevaluate specifically those from 160 through 189. THANX for the advice to narrow my search. |
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Well I went through the VAM between 160 and 189 and here are my conclusions: VAM - Comment 160 - stars not doubled 161 - no notch on 'E' 162 - 'N' or 'M' not broken 163 - no notch on 'M' - 'U' not broken 164 - no doubling of 'I' in Liberty 165 - no doubling on the 'L' 166 - 'O' in GOD not closed 167 - 'P' foot not doubled 168 - no lines connecting open 'O' in GOD 169 - stars not doubled, tripled or quadrupled 170 - Date not doubled 171 - 'R' not doubled/tripled 185 - no gouges by bow 185A - 'O' in GOD not closed 185B - no die scratch between 'I' and 'B' 186 - no extra metal on first '8' 186A - no spike above eyelid 186B - no die chips on '8' 187 - 'L' not doubled 188 - 'L' not washed out Nothing left? Any other suggestions? |
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ww, Sometimes it can be frustrating ... when I started Vamming two years ago I was a 22-yr old underwear model, now I'm a 56-yr old derelict. Without larger pictures, I can't be more help. Do you have access to a digital microscope? I picked up a QX-5 last year and it not only saved my eyesight, but it allowed me to see subtle things on those worn Morgans. I could see doubling and die scratches that I couldn't see with a 10x loupe. Now I scan them all and take 60x pictures of the small stuff. It's really frustrating having VAMWorld blocked on the computer at work (all wiki sites are blocked). I have to rely on my memory which was OK when I was a 22-yr old underwear model. I haven't given up on this one ... don't you! Edit - WW check out the top of that first 'U' in PLURIBUS. That should also be a key diagnostic. Edited by SeatedNut
07/31/2009 09:14 am
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Here ya go. First 'U'  What should I be looking for? Another hobby?  |
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Can you give us a good look at the P also. Heck NO not another hobby, this is what makes coin collecting so much fun.
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Here's the 'P'. There is some damage to the foot of the 'P' and is post mint.  |
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This just keeps getting better and better. Had I seen only the picture of the P, I'd have shouted #165. What makes you think this is post mint damage. Asking a lot now, can we have a series of pictures of all the lettering plus a series of In God We Trust.
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Here ya go. As for the damage on the 'P'. Just to its right you can barely see where an object came from 1 0'clock to 7 o'clock. It mangled the lower foot. Here be the pics. Let me know if they are okay.     |
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WW, I would still like to see a real close picture of the bottom of P. I'm not ruling out the 165, but I am leaning towards the 185. You have to be very careful on Vamworld. Any one that joins can post pictures. Just because someone found a coin with the die gouges doesn't mean they all have it.
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Posted 07/26/2009 10:52 am
