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1916-S Gold Indian Head $5 Coin

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 Posted 07/29/2009  11:29 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add AmericanMuscle to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I've just started documenting and photographing the coins in my collection. This $5.00 gold coin was wrapped up in a piece of cloth, separate from all of the other coins which immediately sparked my curiosity. I don't know much about coin grades but I do know that this coin has not been circulated. Any/all grading advice would be much appreciated!
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 Posted 07/29/2009  11:55 am  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
to CCF!

Your half eagle does indeed appear to be uncirculated. My grade would be MS64 though the area in front of the Indian's chest might knock it down to 63.

It's a very nice piece that should be authenticated and then stored in something other than "a piece of cloth". Consider an Air-Tite holder at the very least.
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 Posted 07/29/2009  1:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Welcome to CCF. This is certainly an illustrious start to your time here - the coin you present in this thread is likely worth upwards of 1000x its' face value. It is, to my mind, imperative that this one be submitted for authentication and grading by one of the major third-party graders - to use an analogy you'll be familiar with, it would make the difference between having a numbers-matching Hemi Cuda and a clone, in the perception of the numismatic community.

This coin is known as a "Condition Rarity." Even though they're fairly common, 240,000 having been minted, they are extremely rare in higher Uncirculated grades. Yours certainly appears to be in such a grade, probably among the hundred or so finest known, and it must be treated as such. That means getting it immediately into a holder in which it will contact *nothing*, not even cloth - gold is soft and cloth will cause scratches - and having it professionally evaluated at your earliest convenience. Submitting the coin to PCGS will cost a pretty penny for this example, in the neighborhood of $100 once all costs are tabulated, but the result will be a coin worth north of $5000.
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"the difference between having a numbers-matching Hemi Cuda and a clone" <-- excellent explanation! Regarding the third party grading/certification services, it seems the PCGS, ANACS & NGC are the top dogs and I'd like to know if one is "better" or more widely recognized than the others?
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That is a beautiful coin and it certainly looks mint state. With the cluster of hairline scratches noted by Bherring I would expect MS-63 might be the appropriate grade. The S mintmark at the tip of the reverse arrow bundle is a shapeless blob, as is common for San Francisco coins of this type. It does not indicate any damage or defect.

Be aware that the grading services are notorious for finding subtle defects such as "cleaning" or "altered surface" on coins submitted for grading. Your coin looks defect-free (except for the aforementioned scratches) but that doesn't mean the service won't find a problem. That is the risk you take when submitting a coin. That said, I would suggest PCGS as your first choice. Coins in PCGS holders are likely to yield the highest price when offered at auction.

Please let us know what you decide to do. If you do submit the coin we would all love to learn the result. Good luck!
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Very nice coin. These are tough to distinguish between AU and MS from what I have seen, especially in pics. I can't tell if there is a touch of rub on the indians cheek, or if the luster is broken. Though it looks MS, I wouldn't be shocked if it graded in the AU range. For comparison's sake, here are two indians in my type set that were both TPG graded in the AU range. Regardless, it is definitely worth sending in for both grading and authenticity purposes. If it grades MS-63 or better, this coin will be worth bank as SuperDave said as a conditional rarity. At the same time, the very reason it would be worth so much, is that very few of these coins make that grade.



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Thanks for the pics johnny54321. Your comments are spot on.

In your pics (reverse), the high points of the eagle's left wing, directly below it's eye, shows the rub that knocks these to AU every time. I can't see that in the OP images but it may be there also.

The caveats noted regarding authenticity, cleaning, altered surfaces and rubs seem to bite Indian gold regularly. As noted this is potentially a $6K to $8K coin and should find it's way to PCGS or NGC in the near future.

Good Luck!
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I own one just like it, not as nice. The grading on
the Indian 2 1/2 dollar goes like this. Indian head dress is the
high point on the obverse. The eagles left wing is the high point
looking for any wear there brings the coins grading down.
You have quite a nice and a real keeper in that condition.
I say NGC would grade the coin upper ms 63 or so.
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