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French1872 5 Franc Ya Don't See Everyday

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Here is a French 5 Franc you don't see much of.
Only 57,000 minted.


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 Posted 08/09/2009  2:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice low mintage coin.
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 Posted 08/09/2009  4:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add LlacerSBD to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hello
Probably, the minted 57,000 is a mistake on the official rapports of French mint.

The real minted value maybe is 570,000 according the frecuency of this year 1872.

Regards Joan
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 Posted 08/09/2009  6:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Blancos to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice coin !

Value : ~ $150

Mintage : 56.844

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 Posted 08/09/2009  6:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Blancos to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There are varieties on this date :
Small and Large stars in observe, near engraver's signature : Dupre.

You are Larges stars.

Mintage is probably false, mayby 568.440, but this date isn't common.
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 Posted 08/09/2009  8:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wwhitman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting on mintage. off by a factor of ten.
I didn't know about the varieties.
Any idea about the populations of each?
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 Posted 08/09/2009  8:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Blancos to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Large stars : ~ 75%, in EF (TTB) : 100€ or $150 : 1870 to 1872
Small stars : ~ 25%, in EF (TTB) : 160€ or $230 : 1872 to 1889

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Obverse of 1876A (small stars)

I'm French ;)




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 Posted 08/09/2009  8:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Frazzle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That fellow on the coin is Hercules if I'm not mis
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 Posted 08/09/2009  9:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Peter THOMAS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
G'day, beautiful coin.
This image of "Hercule" has graced silver five-franc coins since shortly after the revolution.
Hercule has also sometimes (1970s) appeared on CuNi 10-francs and 50-francs: that's inflation for you.
There was a 5-franc coin of the short-lived Cisalpine Republic which was very similar, but only had two figures.

I regret that I do not know why Hercule, and his companions, enjoy such significance. I don't know the ladies' names, but there is, I suspect, some symbolism in the articles that they are carrying.
"Hercule" has been the name of nineteen ships of the French navy, 1657~1993, see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_ship_Hercule

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 Posted 08/10/2009  07:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Blancos to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1960 and 1970's Hercules 10, 20 and 50 francs (the 20 franc exist in very limited quantity, 5 to 20 max.) are in silver (25 and 30 gram.)
But in 1996, a 5 francs in CuNi was minted.

Near Hercule (in the center), you have :
Left : "Liberte" (Liberty)
Right : "Egalite"
Center : "Fraternite" (fraternity) symbolised by Hercule

The three symbolise the french Republic devise "Liberte Egalite Fraternite"

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A solid TTB grade (a little shoulder wear on the right figure). 120 euros in my 2007 Le Franc VII, and could push 200 euros if it makes AU. Nice coin.

The figure on the left is Liberty, the one on the right is Equality. Hercules represents Brotherhood. Or as the motto says "Liberte Egalite Fraternite".

Though when Dupre first created the design right after the revolution the motto was Union Force. Go figure.
"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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"Union Force" - the motto was actually "Union et Force", which would translate to "Unity & Strength" in English.
This motto was used in the short period after the demise of the King, and before the ascendancy Napoleon.
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