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 Posted 08/18/2009  12:50 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add dbrablec to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
first - I DID read chucks thread with diagrams, explaining Machine Doubling, and it was probably written specifically for my benifit. (probably not really - but it did seem to directly describe several of my posts). his description graphically points out - what I didnt understand, prior to reading it. I am posting a photo of the mintmark of an 83D lincoln. I am NOT questioning wheither it is Machine Doubling, however chucks thread stated that maching doubling ALWAYS takes away from the normal width of the "device", which makes complete sense now. this mintmark does not seem to be narrower than normal, and there looks like a horizontal portion of the mintmark inside the "D". so - are there exceptions to the "always" reduces the with rule. the bright line along the "9" is

Another-Question-About-Machine-Doubling really just light reflection, in the same direction and not really any doubling.
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On copper plated zinc cents we have a few additional types of doubling that can be visible that are not exactly what would be known as Machine Doubling although they often get lumped in under the same heading.

The plating can shift a little bit along the edges of letters, or numerals. This includes the mintmark. This causes a little "ripple" so to speak often visible as a form of doubling. We call it plate shift doubling and it doesn't normally take away from the normal size of the mintmark or whatever detail is effected.

The die can also cut through the plating when a coin is struck. On a pristine coin, you might see bright, shiny zinc peeking out from under the copper plating. This can happen around the devices or lettering. Essentially any sharp edge on a die can cut through the plating. As a plated coin circulates, the exposed zinc begins to corrode and that darker corrosion next to the letters, numerals or devices give us the appearance of doubling. This is called Plate split doubling or split plating doubling, depending on who labels it:-) This type of doubling also does not usually take away from the size of the mint mark or whatever else was effected.

As seen in Chuck's sketches (and for those who don't know it...He is a brilliant artist as well as a numismatic expert)....traditional Machine Doubling is a result of the die moving the metal on the surface of the coin. Machine Doubling moves the metal in such a way that it changes the look of the lettering, numerals, or devices in such away as to make them appear smaller in size than they should be.

The D on your coin suffers more from the two forms of doubling that I described above and not quite as much, if at all from traditional Machine Doubling although many would classify this as a form of Machine Doubling. I would probably specify what kind of doubling this is rather than lump it into the machine doubled category.

So...Good "old fashioned" Machine Doubling will always give the impression that it takes away from the size of whatever is effected.

Other types of doubling may not.

I hope this helps,

Bill

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08/19/2009 3:47 pm
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thanks, that did help.
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