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 Posted 08/26/2009  10:10 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add novillero to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I just decided to go back to e-bay, and thought I made a great first purchase... a 1993 silver proof JFK for $3.84 plus $1.99 shipping. But when I got the coin it was too good to be true.

It was a clad... Let me know what you think of this listing... By way of background, I was watching this coin... and then bid when I saw I could get it.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...TRK:MEWNX:IT
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 Posted 08/26/2009  10:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It says "silver" under the material heading but the photo doesn't look white like a silver coin should, it looks more like chrome that a clad coin would look like to me.
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 Posted 08/26/2009  10:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Napoleon31ft to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah I am going to say that questions should have been asked. When it doesn't even say that it is a SILVER Proof I would question it. Also a lot of people that dont know much about coins could just assume that a proof half was silver. His fault for not making things clearer, your fault for not knowing EXACTLY what you are getting. Thats just the way I see it, I hope I dont sound mean or anything like that.
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 Posted 08/26/2009  11:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ratman4762 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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your fault for not knowing EXACTLY what you are getting
WRONG! (First off...you never really know what's going to show up in the mailbox when you buy something on ebay! That's been shown here many times) In the auction it states Proof & Silver! It's the sellers responsibility to have clear and accurate descriptions! I don't think the bidder should have to ask questions when the auction states material...Silver! His listing was incorrect! I would think you would be entitled to a full refund for "item not as described".
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 Posted 08/26/2009  11:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fiddler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Take a closer look at the ebay posting, on 8/18/09 the auther added the following info. this is not a silver coin sorry for the confusion. Looks like he did that 3 hrs before the auction ended
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 Posted 08/27/2009  10:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Napoleon31ft to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
ratman, you do have a point. Still it seems a little bit iffy because no where is the actual description does it say silver. To me it just does not seem quite clear enough to bid with confidence.
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 Posted 08/27/2009  11:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add novillero to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Under teh section, "Item Specifics" there is a subsection that says "Material: Silver"

When I received the coin, I went back to verify this. Only then did I realize that the item I was watching had an addendum to the bottom saying it was not silver. But the person did not change the "Material" to clad or cupronickel, or to anything else that would indicate that it was not silver.

I contacted the person, and I will receive a refund... but after I am out shipping - my shipping back, and I assume... the shipping costs I paid to have it shipped to me.
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 Posted 08/27/2009  11:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add novillero to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think I am going to keep the coin... I believe it was still a good deal --- it would have been fantastic if I paid melt value for 1993 Silver JFK... But I think the costs to return outweight the benefits. I figure I might be able to re-sell it here for what it cost me to buy... Otherwise, it's another coin I have to start a 2nd JFK book.
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 Posted 08/27/2009  11:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add snowman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think that any time that you purchase a coin from a person that does not regularly sell coins, you take a risk. I also give sellers like this the benefit of the doubt, since it is likely that they don't know what they are talking about.
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 Posted 08/27/2009  12:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
NumisMedia (retail values) has the 1993-S Clad Proof starting at $6.90 and going up from there. I would probably keep the coin.
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 Posted 08/27/2009  9:36 pm  Show Profile   Check wheatiefan's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add wheatiefan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I could go either way on this one. If it was titled as 'silver', you could probably argue your money back from paypal. However, the addendum that it was not silver was apparently made before your bid. Overall, I would take it as a cheap ebay lesson and eat the costs. You have to keep in mind that to most people, 'silver' is a color, not a precious metal. Just like many people feel that their 'gold' Sacagewa coins are worth hundreds of dollars...

I am intermittently active on ebay. I never bid without checking a seller's neutral and negative history on toolhaus. As this seller has no history of shenanigans, I'd give him the benefit of the doubt.

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 Posted 08/28/2009  2:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Frazzle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Dont know offhand what that half goes for,but,you didnt pay an arm and a leg for it...so just consider it a lesson learned and cheaply
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 Posted 08/28/2009  3:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add novillero to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No doubt that it is a cheap lesson, and I thought that it may be just an honest mistake... but as I thought about it... the seller did not give me any feedback but was probably waiting for me to leave feedback first - lame!

We e-mailed and he offered to take the coin back without much comment. Anyway, I am not going to return it... Too much of a pain in the butt.

As to "silver", I understand when people say it is a silver coin, but in this case, "silver" was the "material."

So, lesson learned... not a major crisis, and sorry if it seems like I am making a big deal, but I just thought I'd get some opinions and at least get some general discussion going. Thanks.

and don't worry about me...

I'll get over this...

someday...

maybe <sigh>

now where is that crying emoticon?
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 Posted 08/28/2009  7:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add crain300 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
hard to say but just for me looking at it
i didn't see a silver proof coin as the way a silver coin looks to me
sorry it did not work out
and it is a nice looking coin
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