What's Wrong With This Auction For An 1843 CC Seated Dollar?

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Moe145 Pillar of the Community United States 8904 Posts	Posted 09/02/2009 9:56 pm [eBayItem]250490882563 [/eBayItem] (Hint: Did Carson City mint a Seated Liberty dollar that year? Report this Post to the Staff

cownas22 Pillar of the Community United States 1055 Posts	Posted 09/02/2009 10:07 pm Certainly a fake. Carson City did not begin minting coins until 1870...hopefully no one reaches the reserve. It doesn't really look right anyways...what looks like wear is most likely due to poor striking methods. Only one thing left to do...report him Report this Post to the Staff
biokemist6 Bedrock of the Community United States 12437 Posts	Posted 09/02/2009 10:09 pm Heh, I didn't even need to see the mint mark on that one lets see how long this sucker lasts now Report this Post to the Staff
ratman4762 Pillar of the Community United States 2520 Posts	Posted 09/02/2009 10:15 pm His 1 and only feedback as a seller was a negative! Report this Post to the Staff
RFB Pillar of the Community United States 532 Posts	Posted 09/02/2009 11:36 pm Hmm. still up for the bidding. Like Cownas said, I only hope it doesn't reach reserve. Report this Post to the Staff
jfransch Pillar of the Community United States 1801 Posts	Posted 09/03/2009 12:41 am I really like this coin and it would be a showcase for my CC dollar collection.(LOL) I would bid $5 for it but it seems others are willing to pay more. Report this Post to the Staff
Bryan1315 Bedrock of the Community United States 14454 Posts	Posted 09/03/2009 07:32 am it ended with the reserve not being met. I emailed the seller and told him the coin had to be counterfeit and he said "Dont buy it then" then went on to say he uploaded the wrong picture Report this Post to the Staff
RFB Pillar of the Community United States 532 Posts	Posted 09/03/2009 07:52 am This is the tragic part. It was probably set at something rediculous for reserve with no intention of actually completing the auction. Reserve at $1000 or such knowing full well it wouldn't reach completion. He will most likley now send an offer to the bidder to complete the purchase directly....If buyer takes the bait they will have no recourse. Downright dirty. Report this Post to the Staff
Moe145 Pillar of the Community United States 8904 Posts	Posted 09/03/2009 08:14 am I got the same response as Bryan1315. "Sorry, I uploaded the wrong photo". Yeah right. I can't believe it was bid up to $275!!? Who are these guys bidding on this? What a bunch of goobers! Report this Post to the Staff
RFB Pillar of the Community United States 532 Posts	Posted 09/03/2009 08:27 am Who would fall for such an obvious fake? Who in their right mind would bid it up so high?..... People like our Wives/Husbands, Girlfriends/Boyfriends, and friends that hear us drool about coins. They can't retain all the tiny details but they know certain words they hear us spouting about. "Morgan dollar, SVDB, Trade dollar, CC, Carson City mint, Doubled Die" the list goes on and on but the waters are packed with folks that you might think are idiotic. But not at all, they are most likely trying to get a gift for someone and trying to keep it secret so they jump in with almost no idea what they are buying. A note to all collectors- If any friend or family asks transparent questions about what coins your looking for, out of the blue specific questions about mint marks or key dates ect.... please explain to them how shark infested the waters are that we troll for coins. It is no place for the uneducated buyer. No matter how great the intentions are. Thank them, tell them how much you love and appreciate the thought that they want to do such a thing, but STOP them from getting ripped off. Millions of passionate collectors....so naturally millions more that are friends and family that don't collect but THINK they are going to give you a coin that will give you a heart attack when you open the gift. Think about it. Just downright dirty, but easy prey.... -RFB Edited by RFB 09/03/2009 08:46 am Report this Post to the Staff
jfransch Pillar of the Community United States 1801 Posts	Posted 09/07/2009 12:00 am Actually the listing was pulled by ebay because I complained that the coin was an obvious fake. My concern on coins like this is that someone buys it thinking it is a great rarity and it gets into a collection only to surface years from now and someone discovers they are out hundreds of dollars and their feeling towards coin collecting is tainted forever. Especially in the circumstances brought up by RFB where its a spouse/parent/grandparent trying to do something special for someone. ebay is actually pretty good about pulling coins if you complain early enough in the listing. From the ebay response: "Dear ebay Member, Thank you for writing ebay to report this potentially violating listing to us. I have thoroughly investigated your report, and have confirmed that the item was in violation of the ebay Selling Coins policy. As such, I have removed the listing from the ebay site. If you happen to see any listings you may feel violate our Coins and Currency policies, please feel free to report them via the following link: http://www.ebay.com/ccw Please note that ONLY Coins and Currency violations should be reported here. Other types of violations sent here will be delayed as they are redirected to the appropriate department. Please see the following page for ebay's policies regarding the sale of coins: http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies...g-coins.html Thanks again for your report. Sincerely, Akira ebay Customer Support Original Message Follows: ------------------------ Form Message: %43400% 040499 D_ID090220092128D_ID/W_ID179350441W_ID/S_ID000S_ID Subject: BN%P10072 Selling Coins [#US 100881T ?01 ] User Feedback: 393 User State: ?01 Topics > ebay Policies > Rules for Sellers > Listing Policies for Sellers > Selling Coins Item number(s): 250490882563 $US US !43432! 062409 ?01 -01 Message: coin is an obvious fake, not listed as such. The Carson City Mint didn't open until 1870, this coin is dated 1843" Report this Post to the Staff
Moe145 Pillar of the Community United States 8904 Posts	Posted 09/07/2009 12:06 am (I also reported this auction but never got a resolution response. I did get the "We are investigating" response. This is the direct correspondence to the seller.) Subject: You've received an answer to your question about item 1843 Seated Liberty dollar! Incredible Detail BEAUTIFUL Received: Sep-02-09 From: moe145 Expires: Oct-02-09 To: sonnyc420 ItemId: 250490882563 ebay sent this message to moe145. Your registered name is included to show this message originated from ebay. Learn more. Buyer has responded to your question about this item Do not respond to the sender if this message requests that you complete the transaction outside of ebay. This type of offer is against ebay policy, may be fraudulent, and is not covered by buyer protection programs. Learn More. Dear sonnyc420, So what are you telling the bidders on this coin? You know, Carson City NEVER minted a Dollar Coin of this variety in 1843. It is obviously a counterfeit. - moe145 1843 Seated Liberty dollar! Incredible Detail BEAUTIFUL Item Id: 250490882563 End time: Sep-02-09 21:40:07 PDT Buyer: moe145 (1169) 100.0% Positive Feedback Member since May-08-02 in United States Location: TX, United States Listing Status: This message was sent while the listing was active. Marketplace Safety Tip ¡Keep your money safe - never pay for items with cash or instant money transfer services, such as Western Union or MoneyGram. In the past some sellers have exploited these payment methods in order to defraud buyers, so ebay has banned them from the site. ¡Received a Second Chance Offer email? Double check that it's genuine: Second Chance Offer emails come directly from ebay and are shown in your My Messages. ¡Trade safely. Beware of anyone who contacts you about buying or selling outside of ebay. When you trade outside of ebay, you're not able to leave feedback or take advantage of protection programs and case resolution tools available on ebay. Report an inappropriate email. Edited by Moe145 09/07/2009 12:08 am Report this Post to the Staff
ratman4762 Pillar of the Community United States 2520 Posts	Posted 09/07/2009 12:08 am Another one for the good guys! I've reported fakes before using the link on this forum and thet were removed very quickly! Report this Post to the Staff
RFB Pillar of the Community United States 532 Posts	Posted 09/07/2009 02:27 am Absolutley another win. This makes my day that it got pulled in the time. Some collector, or collector's family member just got saved from a 400.00 punch in the wallet. -RFB Report this Post to the Staff
Moe145 Pillar of the Community United States 8904 Posts	Posted 09/07/2009 11:25 am "Ever Vigilant for Fraud" The new CCF motto! Report this Post to the Staff
jfransch Pillar of the Community United States 1801 Posts	Posted 09/07/2009 12:51 pm I also always use the fraud reporting link on the forum, it gets the fastest result. If we all stay alert and warn each other, we can protect ourselves. That is one of the beauties of a site like this. Report this Post to the Staff
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