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 Posted 09/15/2009  10:09 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add rggoodie to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
The new laws are being challenged in court


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Collectors Challenge U.S. State Department Bureaucrats After Baltimore Seizure
Tue Sep 15, 2009 9:14am EDT



GAINESVILLE, Mo., Sept. 15 /PRNewswire/ -- A small packet of inexpensive
Chinese and Cypriot coins imported from England by the Ancient Coin Collectors
Guild (ACCG) have been seized by Customs in Baltimore, Maryland.

The coins were imported to test the legitimacy of State Department (DOS)
imposed import restrictions via two Memoranda of Understanding (MOU). ACCG
maintains that actions of DOS relating to implementation of the Cultural
Property Implementation Act (CPIA) have been secretive, arbitrary and
capricious and will contest the seizure in the U.S. Federal District Court in
Baltimore.

Information from another Freedom of Information Act lawsuit suggests that the
DOS failed to follow the recommendations of its own experts on the Cultural
Property Advisory Committee (CPAC) in extending restrictions to Cypriot coins,
and then misled Congress about this decision. Other information implicates
DOS bureaucrats adding coins to the Chinese MOU even though Chinese officials
never asked for their inclusion.

The Obama Administration has promised transparency and accountability in
government. ACCG hopes its challenge to the ban on ancient Chinese and Cypriot
coins will lead the Court also to address these and other concerns about the
process for imposing import restrictions on cultural goods.

During a 2008 International Foundation for Art Research (IFAR) discussion,
former CPAC Chairperson Jay Kislak (2003-2008) said, "I am not necessarily
against any actions that were taken on any of the MOU's which were recommended
by the Committee and put into action. I am, however, opposed to the way it is
done because I think it is absolutely, completely, un-American, and I don't
mind saying that. Not anywhere in our government do we do things this way,
except with this group."

Kislak also addressed government transparency by saying, "In every other
branch of government, there is disclosure, and information is made public. We
have a democracy, and it is government of the people, for the people, by the
people, not by the bureaucrats over them."

Another former CPAC chairperson, Jack Josephson (1990-1995), added, "...rarely
has Committee membership been in conformity with the Act. During my experience
on the Committee, this was not the only part of the Convention on Cultural
Property Implementation Act (CPIA) that was disregarded." Former CPAC member
Kate Fitz Gibbon (2000-2003) agreed, saying, "In many cases, from my 'plain
reading,' the Committee has substantively altered Congressional intent."

Contact: Wayne G. Sayles, 417-499-9831, director@accg.us, http://www.accg.us

This release was issued through The Xpress Press News Service, merging e-mail
and satellite distribution technologies to reach business analysts and media
outlets worldwide. For more information, visit http://www.XpressPress.com



SOURCE Ancient Coin Collectors Guild

Wayne G. Sayles, +1-417-499-9831, director@accg.us
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 Posted 09/15/2009  10:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Archraz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
hmm, interesting. Thanks for the text and link. So is it only officially illegal to import coins from China and Cyprus, or have the laws become increasingly nebulous concerning other ancient and medieval coins?
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 Posted 09/16/2009  03:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Brannenworks to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I wonder if this sort of law is due to a failure to appreciate just how common (note "inexpensive" in text) ancient coins can be.
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Interesting, I hope it does not affect ordinary coin trades among collectors, or will it?
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 Posted 09/20/2009  02:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I wonder if this sort of law is due to a failure to appreciate just how common (note "inexpensive" in text) ancient coins can be.

The authorities know perfectly well that some ancient coins are common and cheap; they just don't care. The law is aimed at preventing the looting and smuggling out of antiquities from Cyprus; a laudable goal, but it's been given a very liberal interpretation - an ancient Cypriot coin imported from anywhere is now liable to seizure, as was demonstrated in this test case - coins lawfully purchased by Mr Sayles in Britain were imported from Britain into America, and seized in America.

I personally own just one ancient Cypriot coin, this brass as from the city of Paphos during Roman times, in the name of emperor Augustus, circa 25-22 BC:
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If I were to take this coin with me on a visit to America, it could be seized from me and "sent back" to Cyprus - even though neither the American nor Cypriot authorities have any evidence that this coin was removed from Cyprus illegally. In that sense it is indeed "guilty until proven innocent", because I would need to prove that it was removed from Cyprus legally - which I can't, since I don't know it's provenance. It may not even have been originally dug up in Cyprus at all (being a bronze coin, it's probable, but by no means certain) - but in the eyes of this law, that doesn't matter; 2000 years ago it was struck in Cyprus, so back to Cyprus it should go.
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 Posted 09/21/2009  01:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Absurd is the correct word.
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Insane also comes to mind.
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We suffer from tooooo much govmint.

Boycott the purchase, sale, exchange, or collecting of Cypriot coins.

Send the cheap ones back to Cyprus with detailed instructions on where they can be stored. Make sure to stamp them 'removed from circulation'.

That should fix the problem.

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