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c Edited by PennyLoafer63 10/23/2009 3:54 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
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Sorry: I don't see anything in your images. They are too small and when I enlarged them on my computer it was no help as well. I guess I'm going to have to move closer to where you live to tell what you are seeing. LOL
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This is a completely normal 1969S cent.
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Why would anyone want to express an opinion when you insult one of the leaders in the field because you don't like his opinion? The photos you have posted are not good enough to see anything that would make me say anything different than what Chuck said.
Richard
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Pillar of the Community
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Not sure if it is the light or angle etc. but I see some possible mech. doubling on the reverse. Obv. looks normal.
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The picture quality is to poor for me to see anything of what you are seeing. Can you improve the clarity at all and enlarge more.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Here is your problem that you do not seem to understand- Quote:I blew these up beside a certified DDO 69s Rev.from an auction site and compared them and the Rev looks just like it you are comparing an obverse doubled die to the reverse of your coin, that makes no sense at all. It is plainly obvious that your coin is not 1969S-1DO-001 which is a very noticeable and extremely rare and valuable doubled die. There are only two known 1969-S obverse doubled dies( DDO) and no known reverses( DDR). In regards to 1969S-1DO-002, that is a relatively minor doubled die with doubling confined to the date. You are left with two choices- you either have a completely new DDR(highly doubtful) or a perfectly normal coin as coppercoins has already stated. Machine Doubling is exceedingly common on cents from the late 60s and many many novices confuse that with collectible and valuable doubling such as doubled dies and repunched mintmarks. BTW, insulting one of the leading Lincoln Cent experts and a highly regarded author is not productive. I have seen coppercoins be wrong only once or twice in his postings here and that was on coins outside of his speciality, on all occasions he corrected himself once the variety was revealed.
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PL63, there is a simple solution to this problem. Charles has a attribution service. Send it to him. Charles is very dedicated to the Lincoln Cent, if it's a known doubled die he will tell you which one. If it's a new one, he will congratulate you. If it comes back as a normal cent keep it as a learning tool or add another $1.24 and buy yourself a cup of coffee.
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PennyLoafer63, I have read the posts from the beginning, 1st you are dealing with some of the brightest, experienced Numismatists I have had the pleasure to learn from, that said, when I 1st came to this family I thought there were some people brighter than other's, and this is true. I use to have what Chuck called "thin skin", because I would pose questions to the forum and he would answer with a short, seemingly rude, obnoxious remarks. Since, I have learned that is just how some people are, "to the point", I also use to say and still will, that it is not what you say, but how you say it! I have since seen Many people comment on "this manner of dealing with people", and am here to say, Chuck is a very unique, bright, knowledgeable, expert when it comes to the Lincoln Cent, and some other coins, His mannerism in which he gives advice, In my opinion,is also unique! Toughen-up, he means well, for the most part, keep asking questions, it is the only way, around here, you'll learn......
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P.s That's also why I posted them the 1st time without saying a 69s' I knew then people would just think I was a crazy ole lady......still true but my eye's aren't...LoL 
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i might add that there are a few people here that respond to nearly everyone questions. chuck is one, but there are others. anyone how takes as much time and effort as those do, that respond to as many questions, should certainly be allowed to make a brief, concise statement. I some cases I feel fortunate to receive any responses at all. speaking for myself - I too have doubted some of the opinions rendered by the obviously knowledgeable people here, but after more research, or comparing my question coins to other similar coins (same year, MM, condition - ETC), I have eventually concurred - at a rate of 100%. you are clearly allowed to disagree, and have your own opinion, but do not discount the knowledge and expertise of those who give you a informed - honest opinion.
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Hi, From the pictures I've seen, I see only the effects of Machine Doubling which of course is not from a doubled die. One major point is that a slab can be entirely meaningless even if from a supposedly higher tier grader. I've seen every kind of mistake made by graders. I lean toward the coin being a "clunker" as I like to call them but a better picture of something is a must. The one shot of a T is machine doubled. A key issue is who slabbed the coin you are comparing to? and I'll tell you why. You can't get a new die variety slabbed without it passing major muster first. Several die variety experts have to examine a coin and agree that it is a die variety before any "real" grading company will label a coin. hey wouldn't touch it. It' shard enough to get them to attribute some of the "easy" ones. So if it's slabbed by a company that no one ever heard of, that also leads toward the coin being misidentified. So Again, who slabbed it? can you post a picture of the slab? AND...what is the chance of better pictures of your coin. Thanks, Bill
Edited by foundinrolls 09/26/2009 11:06 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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Too much disagreement and arguing to read it all BUT in the first post of the pic, it shows MD ( Machine Doubling)..Sorry
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Pillar of the Community
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I'm gonna go look at the higher res pictures. I shall return:-)
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The pictures are smaller than postage stamps and can't be enlarged. Still, the ones that are big enough show Machine Doubling and not die doubling. Many new discoveries have been made here so those of us who are involved in the die variety field are always open to new discoveries. It just doesn't look like this one is it, based upon the pictures. Thanks, Bill
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I was able to play around with some of the images in several of my photo-programs. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that the coin exhibits strong Machine Doubling on the reverse. The doubling is flat and shelflike and is easily seen on the word AMERICA There is essentially nothing unusual with the obverse. I am sorry to say that Sending it somewhere to be looked at is not worth the postage or the fee and it would be an expensive lesson to learn. Thanks, Bill
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