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Great Britain Coin Not In Catalogue? | Imitation Guinea

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 Posted 09/25/2009  6:36 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add morethanever to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi,
thanks for your helps.
this coin is 1791 Great Britain and 21 mm.
Do you know what is this?
And what about it's value?

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 Posted 09/25/2009  7:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add alganbagerap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is very probably what is known as a "spade guinea". These were copies of earlier coins used in Victorian times as gaming counters. The dates were usually not in keeping with the original coin, so that the issuer could not be accused of counterfeiting. The lettering on the reverse is also frequently gibberish.
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 Posted 09/25/2009  9:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, it's a brass imitation of a "spade guinea", a British gold coin from the 1700's.

It's the sort of thing you'd find in a dealer's $1 scratchtray around here.
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Yeah and also, I've red a book called "Underground London" recently, and there was this referance to spade guineas there, it said the reason why the legends are gibberish on the obverse of the spade guineas were the "producers" generally were illiterate back then..
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G'day,
"Spade Guineas" were the genuine artcle in the late 1700s, but widely counterfeited at that time.
Subsequently, they have been "copied" in large numbers, with design elements slightly altered, so the copier could avoid the gallows. These ones are called "gaming tokens".
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