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Strap Vs No Strap/Shoulder Fold Vs No Shoulder Fold

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 Posted 11/09/2009  11:44 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add fmtaxguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Okay. So I'm fairly new to collecting and am just beginning to look at Canadian coins. Plus I'm American, so of course I am oblivious and I know next to nothing about our neighbors to the north. All of that being admitted, with a modicum of shame, can someone explain to me what is being referred to with the description of 'Strap' and 'No Strap?' Also, what is being referred to with the description 'Shoulder Fold' and 'No Shoulder Fold?'

I swear that have gone nearly blind staring at coins from 1953 of various denominations, and cannot for the life of me see any difference between either coin in either of the referenced pairs.

I am guessing that it is obvious and right in front of my face, as that is the last place I will ever see anything. So I would be much obliged if someone with a soul could point out what's in front of my face.

Thanks in advance.
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 Posted 11/09/2009  11:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add daviscfad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
read here, here, and here. those links should help you understand it better. the last one has a picture from the book and might help you best
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 Posted 11/10/2009  12:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add daviscfad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
btw I think that strap and shoulder fold are the same thing but I could be wrong
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 Posted 11/10/2009  12:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add steve kuznicki to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hello,

Forget looking for an actual shoulder. Go to Charlton or any standard reference and look at the I's in the obverse legend, how they are shaped and where they point. After a bit of that, it will become second nature!

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Thank you. Now I know the markers to look for. I am glad looking at actual shoulders most often tells nothing on the issue; it's not just me. As I said, I am brand spanking new to this area, and this is the first I've heard of Charlton. Perhaps it's time to consider expanding my reference library once again. Thanks both for clarifying this.

Does anyone know for certain whether the strap and shoulder fold are the same thing?

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 Posted 11/10/2009  01:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 1cent to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, they are the same thing. "No shoulder strap" is probably a better term, but most seem to prefer "no shoulder fold", or "NSF".
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FOR SURE 1cent.When I was collecting coins back in the 60's,it was SS or NSS.(No such thing as SF or NSF)When I resumed collecting 40 years later,it had me confused at first. Actually the dress has a strap going over the Queen's shoulder,(not a FOLD in the dress itself.)
The uproar at that time was the queen had a BARE SHOULDER.Hence the change in dies to show A visible strap instead of the"bare shoulder look"
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I've found 1 NSS "in the field." This coin was almost rejected due to some hefty cleaning. I mean, it looked like freshly stripped wire, really standing out in this sea of chocolate. I took a second look. Bingo! The shame was that the coin's crisp details and lack of rubb, would probably go a strong VF-AU. So now I'm checking the best way to put some years on her.
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