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 Posted 11/11/2009  08:35 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add hcspeed to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
look guys I am new to this and love this site ,I have been sticking away coins sparaticly for a while , but only serious for a couple of months ,all the literature I have read says I may have de valued my stuff just by wiping it with my finger to reveal a date or mint mark.and as hard as it to type this, here goes, I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'm DOING!what is the proper way clean (if needed) store and value,is it worth the cost to authenticate ,and what is the cost ?thanks
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 Posted 11/11/2009  09:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tumbleweedtrumpet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I store all coins in bottles or air-tites. I don't like the 2x2's.
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 Posted 11/11/2009  09:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add neversuited1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No need to clean your coins. It, like you said, will only diminish their value. Storage...many different ways from folder and albums to 2x2's and air-tites. To each his own. The only way I see to get truly airtight is a vacuum seal...So the economical and still safe route in my opinion would be folders or 2x2's. Third Party Grading Co.'s...Top 2 with resale value is NGC and PCGS. Not to say others are worse or better, these are just the top 2 trusted in the market place. Costs vary from different grading company. If you are considering sending a specimen to be graded, I would suggest taking pics and posting them on CCF first. In the "Hobby of Kings"..lol...collecting...Knowledge = Money. You are in the right place. Tons of knowledge here. And welcome!
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 Posted 11/11/2009  1:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ratman4762 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Alot of folks here suggest a quick dip in acetone and a distilled water rinse before storing coins. They say that removes contaminants on the coin that will damage the coin over time. However.....I have yet to try it (I am seriously thinking about trying it) but it is said to have no ill effect on the coin as it just removes surface dirt safely. But I've also heard that it can be dangerous to work with and you need to read up on it before you even think about trying it. It will eat through plastic so you need to use a glass dish and use in a well ventilated area. Like I said, Read up on it and ask others here BEFORE you even think of trying this method. As for storage, BU coins and rare or scarce can go in airtights, flips or 2X2's. More common coins can go in tubes. If you use flips make sure they are newer and safe (pvc free). Albums like Dansco are good if you plan on trying to build a set.
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11/11/2009 1:33 pm
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 Posted 11/11/2009  6:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Brian Mc to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If it were me, I'd not worry about cleaning coins until I had a good deal of experience in the hobby. The chances that cleaning a coin will preserve or enhance its value are small. The chances that cleaning will decrease the value (and perhaps significantly) are great.

The cost for a third party grade or authentication varies with the service that provides it. For a new collector, the price may be prohibitive. For example, if you have a coin worth less than $300, PCGS will charge you $14 to grade it (+$8 handling fee).

You've read other CC members opinions on how to store coins, so that's some good advice to start with. I think the best advice is to store your coins safely, don't try to clean them, and start attending coin shows where you can learn a lot about value. I've found that, provided that I'm polite and don't try to take time away from a buying customer, dealers at coin shows are usually happy to talk to me and answer even the most elementary questions.

And, of course, keep asking questions here! CC is a great place to get feed back! :)

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 Posted 11/11/2009  8:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hcspeed to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
thank you all , for the replies very informative ,I hope I did'nt mislead anyone I have'nt cleaned anything , to the point of all over brightening ,but I have a couple I would like to spot clean here or there with a q tip to reveal its better points, a really sweet 09 Indian head for one, but if a coin is to dirty to read its date or mint mark how can I catalog it ? and whats the difference in a flip and a 2x2? where can I get info on coin shows ? I live in Ga , if I m asking to many questions remember brianmc said I could,LOL
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 Posted 11/11/2009  8:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


Quote:
I may have de valued my stuff just by wiping it with my finger to reveal a date or mint mark

Yep, any friction on a coin is a bad thing resulting in fine scratches known as hairlines.

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I have a couple I would like to spot clean here or there with a q tip to reveal its better points

What ever you do, please do not do that You will ruin the value of a coin in a heartbeat by rubbing on it with a qtip. As gentle as that may seem to you, it is not much different than rubbing the coin with sandpaper

Cleaning in a numismatic sense is a damaging process that will always reduce the value of a coin. Sometimes a coin will need a bit of conservation though. This is quite different from cleaning in that proper conservation will only remove surface contaminants but not disturb the coinage metal. Conservation almost always involves the use of nonreactive liquids to remove those contaminants. One method would be to soak a coin in acetone, a flammable organic solvent. Acetone will remove dirt, finger grease, and things like that but it will not remove toning or damage the metal.

If you are new to collecting and unfamiliar with these processes, I would recommend not performing it on any coins of value. If you feel the need to experiment, take some dirty pocket change and practice with that. Care must be exercised in the use of solvents, acetone is flammable and has intoxicating fumes but it can be safely used in a well ventilated area away from any ignition source. The subject has been discussed at length on the forum, just use the Search button at the top of the page for more information.
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 Posted 11/11/2009  9:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RFB to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Both have advantages and disadvantages depending on what you prefer. I personally like 2x2's but that is just my preference.

Mylar flips-


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Cardboard 2x2-

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11/11/2009 9:04 pm
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 Posted 11/12/2009  1:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Brian Mc to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
hcspeed:

I didn't realize you're from GA! Check out the web site atlcoin.com. There is a coin show every month in Atlanta. There will also be a coin show in Perry in January 2010, but I'm not sure of that exact date. You can probably find out about it on the web.
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11/12/2009 7:02 pm
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 Posted 11/12/2009  5:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add penny pincher to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The question I am wanting to ask is are these valuable or just ordinary coins? If you have something special (value, sentimental, gift) then find a way to store it in a way to preserve it. If it is just a bunch of coins you have set aside, then maybe what you are doing is the correct way already.

Examples:
1. Sets- if you are starting to collect a certain series of coins then I would suggest putting them in a 2x2 or a nicer book. Depending on the quality of the coin always lets me know where and how to store it, the nicer the coin, the nicer the storage.

2. Individuals- if you have a few coins that you like but are not in a certain set, then a 2x2 or airtite is probably the best way to go. Again, the nicer the coin, the nicer the holder.

3. Groups- now what I mean by this is like the wheat's you find in circulation or roll hunting, something you have a few hundred of but may not be the best condition to waste the money on individual containers. I roll search for wheats and have a few thousand that I put into coin tubes with a sticker on top that tells me the year or decade in it.

4. Containers- now that you have those coins put into different 2x2's, books and tubes, what do you do with them now? The 2x2's you can do two things: A. get a three ring binder and sleeves and put them in there for quick reference or B. get boxes that are the same size that allow you to hold a few hundred at a time and easily store away.

For the tubes I also have two different methods: A. buy the storage boxes that allow you to put them in and stack them away (smaller boxes for square tubes and larger upright boxes for round). Or B. get your own smaller boxes where you can easily put them away but make sure that they are sturdy and that you do not put too much weight into them.

5. Storage- always the question that will bring a million different answers, so here are the main ones:
A. Safety deposit box- this is great because you know they are safe and secure but bad if you want to look at them all the time.

B. Safe- if you do not like to have then far away, then a personal safe is a god way to go, just keep in mind that no matter what size you think you will need it will be too small. The only other main issue is what kind of humidity you may have where you live, talk to a local coin dealer and they will tell you what to do to help that. Too much moisture and too much heat will always be a bad factor so watch out where you store them.
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 Posted 11/12/2009  6:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

I'd really like to stress one thing. If you mean by using your fingers and possibly some spit to clean a coins date to see it better, let me remind you of some things.
1. Ever notice how many people go to washrooms and come out without washing their hands. Then they handle coins.
2. Ever see coins laying on the ground, in dirt, possibly something from a dog, you or someone picks it up and now you have it in your hands.
3. Ever see people picking their noses and then handling coins.
4. Ever wonder how many people have serious contagious illnesses and handle coins and spend them.
5. People do all kinds of things with their hands and then handle coins.
So now you find them and using your fingers and possibly putting your fingers in your mouth for spit, you clean the dates on those coins.
As to cleaning coins if you use the search tab at the top and type in cleaning coins, coin cleaning, Acetone or any variety of similar terminology, you will find out lots and lots about this subject.
And I suggest not using your fingerss and your mouth for coins.
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 Posted 11/12/2009  9:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hcspeed to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
penny pincher, thank you for your post ,and double thanks for breaking it down into outline form ,that helps keyboard illiterates like me reply,as for your example 1 , I am placing simalar coins on colored paper spaced enough for my personal notes under each coin and my own coin rating ( which is a farce) ,example 2 I think I am dead on,example 3 I think I am dead on if fact I catalog lesser coins returned to rolls and store them by face value,as for example 4 I hope I get there soon , but for now its just catalog , and study.as for example 5 .a .b I RAISE DOBERMANS and everyone knows it for miles .lol , I don't think humidity would be a problem where I keep them.
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