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Is This An Authentic 1893 S Morgan Dollar?

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The coin shown may be authentic, but it's not a San Francisco mint. Either a stock photo or mistaken ID.
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The 9 looks like a doctored 8 to me, kinda fat on one side like me too. nlp
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I'm no expert on Morgans, but that 9 just doesn't look right to me.
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It also seems a bit odd that you would need to use a magnifying glass to see the mint mark on a coin in that condition.
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Yep, it is an authentic altered Morgan dollar with no mint mark
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The 1893-S did have a slightly raised 3, as this coin appears to have. However I see no signs of a mint mark at all. Also the pictures aren't clear enough to tell if it's real or not. I would not take a chance with this one.
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Always fun to see these auctions because I learn something.
Mintmark aside, check out the shape of the top loop of the 3--modified 8?
From what I've seen, that's not the correct shape for this year, 1893-S or 1893-P.

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If you compare the "3" to the "8", the shape looks unmistakeable. IMHO, it REALLY looks like a modified 1898 Morgan made to look like an 1893.

(That's if it's not a completely counterfeit coin from China already... Which, given the lack of luster, it may very well be)

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I'm no expert at all but the 3 looks okay to me.

By the way, if I were going to make an 1893-S silver dollar, I'd start with an 1898-S where the "S" was at least visible in a photograph.
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Do you suppose the 1921-only reverse might be a hint?
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1921-only reverse - ?
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Nice spot SuperDave The Morgan dollar dies were completely recreated for the 1921 issue and those coins are distinctly different from the rest of the Morgan dollar series.
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Four major reverse styles were used on the Morgan dollar, labeled A,B, C, and D. In 1878 the 8TF and 7/8TF used variations of the A reverse (flat eagle breast, long nock, and parallel arrow feather). The 1878 7TF used both the B and C reverse (B was parallel arrow feather, flat breast and both long and short nock)(C was slanted arrow feather, rounded breast and short nock). The C reverse was used on all coin from late 1880 to 1904 (some 79-S coins have reverses of 78). The 1921 coins used the D reverse (parallel arrow feather and flat breast). Many Chinese counterfeits of 1880-1904 Morgans use the D reverse ... as SuperDave indicates, it's a dead give-away.
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So there's even better reasons to question this one.
Despite that, bidding is up to $300 on this worthless trinket.
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You guys are GOOD!
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