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Is This A Cud On My 1964 D Nickel

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 Posted 11/21/2009  1:07 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add soldier4Christ to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Is this my first Cud? It is worn down from circulation but it looks like a die chip to me. I'll leave it to the experts to confirm.
Thanks and God Bless,
Brad
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 Posted 11/21/2009  1:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No I don't think so, it looks more like a damaged coin to me.
When looking at the edge is the width thinner than the rest of the coin edge at this area or thicker and raised?
The edge should look normal with a raised area above it with a Cud. If it is scarred by damage I would suspect your edge is thinner at that area.
The coin actually looks slightly out of round to me as well.
Of course, I could be completely wrong. I can see why you wonder because it looks possible straight on viewing it this way. Just looks a bit smashed down and I think I see a bit of a wide gouge in it.
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from the outside rim to end of the 'extra' metal is alot of metal to have only come from some kind of damage,though, I too, could be wrong. perhaps damage could have caused the folding over and inward on the face of the coin ? if it is indeed thinner here it may tell you the story. what I see could be a Cud ,though it could be damaged and/or wore down as in the 'extra' metal area not having the raised portion of the rim remaining anymore."The edge should look normal with a raised area above it with a Cud".note* even at normal rim height the Cud does not have to be raised above the rim's height to be classified as a Cud.perhaps soldier4Christ could you post another photo without that much glare in the affected area? coin slightly rotated left using your previous photo setup.
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I'm out and about but I'll try and take better pics when I get home. The area is raised the raised area is just somewhat worn down but it is still raised above that of the rest of the coin.
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Could you possibly get a picture of the reverse, as well? The reverse should show weakness in that same area if it is a Cud.
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Here are a few more images... hope this helps Is-This-A-Cud-On-My-1964-D-Nickel Is-This-A-Cud-On-My-1964-D-Nickel Is-This-A-Cud-On-My-1964-D-Nickel Is-This-A-Cud-On-My-1964-D-Nickel Is-This-A-Cud-On-My-1964-D-Nickel Sorry about that I guess I posted the thumbnails...
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Any chance of getting slightly larger images for (some of our) old eyes who can't see ? pretty please?
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Done!Is-This-A-Cud-On-My-1964-D-Nickel
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Great Thank you, bigger pictures help a lot.

It's still a bit difficult to tell - you have it in hand, is it slightly weak on the bottom of the reverse? Mostly through "STATES" into "OF" as that is the area directly behind the area in question on the obverse. (With Cuds, most of the time, the pressure from the strike forces the metal into the broken die area and not so much against the die on the other side like normal, resulting in a noticeably weak strike in that area.)

It looks like it's been scraped, though, and the rim where it meets the edges of that metal blob doesn't look right. Maybe one of the error gurus will see this and weigh in.
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The first S in States is very hard to see clear even under 10X mag.
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In the second image set, second image is a close-up of Jefferson's hair.
I see a similar ledge and scratches following same direction as those at the rim.
I think it looks like it happened in the same "blow" the coin took to cause what closely resembles a Cud.
I had another thought, isn't there a website or a book on known Cuds?
Since the die breaks, each coin struck by that coin will look pretty much the same until a progression of further breakage occurs.
Maybe looking for 1964 D Jefferson Cuds will show a similar shape on another.
I still think it looks like damage, but maybe it is actually both.
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I agree there is def damage there. I figured it was a long shot on a Cud anyway. It just really favored one and I thought maybe that it was a Cud that was just well circulated. I don't know that much about them but either way it is an interesting coin... I will see if I can't find something on the breakage... Thanks again... all other input still appreciated.
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I had another thought, isn't there a website or a book on known Cuds?


Right you are, Wheezy.. The Cud Book, Sam Thurman and Arnold Margolis. There are 2 listed for 1964, both on 1964-D's on the obverse and both very small (one above '64', one above 'LI' in LIBERTY).
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Well I will just keep looking then... Thanks for all the input guys.
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Brad
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