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 Posted 11/25/2009  10:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add AGCoinHunter to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I see no problem with it. Atleast he is offering them more than what they get from the machine. Yes, its less they a coin shop but more than what they expected. Can I get a part time job there? :)
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 Posted 11/25/2009  11:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It would be very hypocritical of me to say that he was doing anything wrong. I had a girlfriend that was a bank teller and very good at finding me things of interest.

Like others, I agree that his offering to pay more than face is commendable.
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 Posted 11/25/2009  12:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Saruma to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Gothic, I don't see how that is wrong. If someone was to offer me twice the face value for my coins it would raise a big red flag that I may have coins worth more than that (even if I knew nothing about numismatics). I then have the choice to take this person up on his offer or decline and go to a coin dealer. Since the manager is buying the whole lot of coins at 2X face value without inspecting them (all he has to go on is are the dings of the first few silver to go in the machine), it may be the manager getting the bad end of the deal.

You could argue that the coin dealer you mention is also ripping that person off. What if the person could go to ebay and get 2X more for it than what a dealer would pay? Buying a product for as little as possible and selling it for as much as possible is just how the world of business works. The manager would only be unethical if he actually lied about what he was doing.

As for the syrup idea, if someone tried that and I was manager that person would soon be enjoying a chat with Mr. Police Officer and shelling out for a brand new coin machine!
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 Posted 11/25/2009  12:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RFB to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I saw it a little differently than most I suppose. I thought about this as I read some of the other responses and it occurred to me... Basically my opinion is I have no issue at all with it on any ethical level. I just think it did show a lack of tact for him to boast about it to you (or any other customer).

Situational advantages presented to individuals to be johnny on the spot is fine. Certain perks present themselves to those in the situations right when they arise is all part of the different daily routines we all live within. But to advertise that position as being locked or boasting about the benefits of being the only one "in the know" just shows lack of tact in my opinion. That's all. Almost childish and teasing to do as an adult.

No malice, or henpecking. Personal discretion causes me to show disapproval at any flagrant boast to someone who is not in position for equal play. But nothing more.

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 Posted 11/25/2009  2:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pls to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The only ethical question I see here is how much work time he spends in coin collecting, and that question would be answered by bank policy.

To many people, money is money; a silver dollar is worth $1.00 (as it was not long ago, within many folks' memories), and an additional trip to hunt down a coin dealer is a bother for them.
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 Posted 11/25/2009  2:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ratman4762 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
For the few of you that think the bank manager is doing somethink unethical....Ponder this! If somebody gave you a silver quarter in change for a transaction.....Do you give it back? and tell them to take it to a coin shop where they can get 9X face? NO! You take it happily and see if they have anymore you can get for face value! Do ANY of us roll Searchers return any silver (or any other valuable coin) we find back to the bank and tell them to take it to the coin shop and get 9X face? NO! Same Priciple! Those Coinstar machines are there to take peoples UNWANTED change! Knowledge is Power!
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 Posted 11/25/2009  3:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinyoungsta to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
that is a great point ratman
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I have a former friend that worked in a bank every summer when he was in school. His job was rolling change and he accumulated hundreds of dollars in face of 90 percent silver that he still owns today. He never told the bank he was doing this and I suspect from what I learned later about his charachter and some things he said, was that he pilfered some of it without replacing it with clad change. I think it is still dishonest to offer twice face value when it is worth more - not as honest as stealing it of course, just a matter of degree.
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 Posted 11/25/2009  6:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ratman4762 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I think it is still dishonest to offer twice face value when it is worth more
If he just goes ahead and lets them finish running the silver through the machine....they only get face value! If he offers 2x face...they get twice what they were expecting! Either way HE IS going to get the silver in the end. As mentioned in the previous posts...he gets the silver out of the machine anyhow! It's not dishonest at all if he's purchasing the silver one way or the other.
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When you work in a bakery, you take home extra bread.

I believe this person in a supervisory capacity is doing well, is it against company policy?

A possible conflict of interest on his part, there to assist customers who count on his 'full' assistance and to properly guide people for their best interests. No matter the opinion, this could be seen as a strong conflict.

I believe some people are in a place or position that affords them "benefits" others do not have, sure he is in the right place at the right time, but as mentioned before, how is this advantage afforded to him and not others.
Lets say a lower on the chain of command teller or other bank worker happens to see this, do you think he will be allowed the same 'advantage', my guess, not under the present manager's supervision, my point, what is good for some, should also be good for others or policy should dictate, conflict of interest and no one is allowed to "do business for them selves" during banking hours on the banks property, if caught, dealt with..

I remember many stories about bank tellers being approached by customers with very valuable gold coins(double Eagles) and the customers asked are these still good, the teller says yes and pays the customer the face value for the coins worth much, much more and ultimately they were fired, another conflict of interest during banking hours.
Also if you owned this bank and found out your manager was "doing business, for the sole purpose of advancing their own agenda, during the hours you are paying him/her", you would not feel this is a reason to stop this practice?

I feel IMO, He is in a great place to advance his collecting abilities, I also feel bragging about the "benefit" is among other things, a sign of poor character, just my opinion.....PS, We have no bank workers here in this family to shed any light on this topic?
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I believe some people are in a place or position that affords them "benefits" others do not have, sure he is in the right place at the right time, but as mentioned before, how is this advantage afforded to him and not others
We have several members here on this forum that report "their finds" from their cash drawer at work! Apparently they were "at the right place at the right time". Not knowing what sort of business they work at, I'll have to use my experience as an example. I worked as management at a major grocery chain for years. I acquired alot of numismatic items this way. So did alot of the cashiers that worked there too! Because we handled cash! Does this mean we were wrong to do so because none of the employees in the meat department, deli, or produce department handled cash? Or any of the stock clerks or baggers? I don't think so. I actively roll search half dollars. I have a couple of tellers at a couple of banks that will not knowingly give me silver halves. Is it wrong? I don't think so! Aggravating yes! Seeing silver in their tray and not being able to hold it in my hands...but No it is not wrong. They are entitled to their finds too.
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A bank manager is not a financial adviser and banks are not there to necessarily do what is in their customer's best interest. Their purpose is to generate the maximum amount of revenue possible for the owners or shareholders. On the individual customer level just look at all the fees and penalties they love to charge. Also consider the minuscule amount of interest they give you on savings accounts. As of today Bank of America gives you 0.1% APY on a savings account while one of the online banks (Orange Direct) is currently at 1.3%. B of A could offer a similar rate and still make tons of money off our savings. So if a bank employee was really supposed to act in their customer's best interest they would tell them to get an account elsewhere.

If the events of the past year don't demonstrate that lending institutions have anything but their customer's best interests in mind then I don't know what will.
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I see it differently... Now you know where to dump your searched coins... He can't complain!!
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Well .... this post has certainly generated the opinions I was looking for ..... and all given in the spirit of the CCF ... no flames but honest views.

Thanks for sharing with respect of others ....

I have read every reply and am now coming down on the side of "Joe" ..... he is enjoying a benefit of his job ..... there is a part of me that wishes I had his job.

A couple of things sealed this for me ...... Sap wrote a very well thought through reply where he spoke of 'fungible' and made a comparison to leaves on the tree ....

Another wrote and stated the obvious for a roll searcher ..... if "Joe" were not there intercepting ..... would I as a roll searcher return the valued finds to the bank?

Continued opinions and discussion is valued and welcome

David
Take a look at my other hobby ... http://www.jk-dk.art
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quote - banks are not there to necessarily do what is in their customer's best interest

Yes, and that attitude is what is wrong with this country's financial system. Whatever happened to honesty and looking out for the other guy? I still maintain that offering customers twice face on silver that is worth 12 times face is deceptive and dishonest. It is completely different than picking 90 percent silver out of a change drawer when you don't know who spent it. It really doesn't change the dishonesty to say that if the teller at the bank didn't say anything the customer wouldn't get anything. That is pure rationalization of a deceptive act. The sweet lady that runs the safety deposit box at my bank told me that she checked a room that a customer had just used and there was a canvas sack of diamonds left behind. She checked her records and called the customer and returned it ot her without one word of thanks from the customer. I guess under some folks rationale she would have been within her rights to just keep it for herself. I find that I enjoy what is in my collection by being completely above board in my dealings to acquire it, but to each his own.
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