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The Importance Of A Safe Deposit Box.

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I know I have placed this in an off forum but I wanted more members to see this. It just reminds us of how important it is to store your prized possessions out of your home. I really feel for this guy and hope he recovers some or all of his coins. I have a safe deposit box and simply photograph my coins and enjoy the images at home. Anyway, here is the listing:
http://cgi.ebay.com/STOLEN-1852-C-G...NS_W0QQitemZ110465339102QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCoins_US_Individual?hash=item19b83f4ede
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makes me sick nothing I own is of high value but I would still be sick if it was stolen I can't imagine how he feels
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I'm surprised that a coin dealer would keep his inventory at home. Most of us can fly under the radar as collectors and are really only at risk from random burglaries. But it wouldn't surprise me if in this case that the person who stole them knew the guy was a coin dealer, found out where he lived, and targeted him specifically. A safe deposit box is probably the best choice, but nothing is 100% safe. A while back Bank of America sold of the contents of a woman's safe deposit box even though she was current on the payments. It looks like it was a clerical error, but that didn't bring her valuables and irreplaceable documents back.
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I keep most of my coins in a SDB. Theft is only one concern. Fire and tornado are other possibilities.

Most insurance companies offer "riders" for coins kept in your home. I pay and extra $5/month for $3,000 coverage on my coins. Needless to say I don't keep over $3,000 in coins at home!
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I'm definately putting my collection in a safety deposit box after reading this. I already had big scare when I came home from mid-tour leave. We purchased a home when I was deployed and so my wife had to move without me. When I came home I asked, "where are my coins." She dug and dug through all the boxes and they were nowhere to be found. It almost started a fight. "You mean you didn't have them with you?" I kept asking her.

After much thought, get this, she left them in the dresser drawer while the movers moved it to her mother's house! I thought for sure they had to be gone forever. I got that sick feeling in my gut. Then she called me from her mother's with great news - they were all still in there.

I've always felt OK with a house alarm, a dog and packing heat. But now I'm thinking I just need to get them locked up. It sucks because I like to look at them and I don't want to spend a heap of money for a safe.
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 Posted 12/08/2009  10:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gawd0wns to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You can sense the dealer's agony in that item description, though thankfully, no one was injured physically. Nothing beats a safety deposit box. I agree with bherring1964, I don't think anyone should keep that amount of money/items of high value in their home.
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 Posted 12/08/2009  11:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Figman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
"I've always felt OK with a house alarm, a dog and packing heat"

You should feel safe, because you are. Ever watch that TV show about the professional thief who turned his life around and became a burglary consultant. The main issue with people is they never set the alarm, lock the safe, record the camera, etc. Could you imagine what would happen if banks did the same thing?

I once was hit by another vehicle while parked in a gas station parking lot. I checked with the owner about the video surveillance and he said they don't ever record it. How many of his revolving door employees do you suppose know this?

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I've been preaching SDB's on the forum for quite some time now.

And I always say......the ONLY drawback........ is convenience .....for me.
Home burglaries, home invasions, fire, floods, tornado's.......some of these things are RAMPANT in my city.....but it just never happens at a bank where my coins are safe & sound and in a climate controlled environment.
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 Posted 12/08/2009  2:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tiker to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Unfortunately in my area, safe deposit boxes aren't readily available. I have one safe deposit box at a bank but my collection has out grown it. With my name on an approximate 2 year waiting list for a 2nd box I have to find other means to safely store my coins. Does anyone have any recommendations or ideas for in-house safes?
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I hate Thieves !
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The only problem is banks allow government to have free access to your boxes and you have NO protection of either privacy OR dishonest bankers or government seizure. George w. Bush destroyed most of what little bit of the constitution we had left in his two terms and now Obama is finishing the job.

Even without conspiracy theories horror story after horror story abound of contents of safety deposit boxes sold even though the banking customer was paid up and visiting their bank regularly. You only own what you can lay your hands on and about the time we have another bank holiday like we had under Franklin D. Roosevelt when he stole the peoples gold in 1933 you have just kissed your coins goodbye.

When renting a safety deposit box you are risking theft by government. Make an investment of a security system and a safe and additionally NEVER keep everything valuable you own together. Thieves (other than government) who break in DO NOT stay long. They grab and get as fast as they can and come back another day if you don't fix the problem you had when they hit you the first time. That is assuming you still have stuff left over for them to steal. In closing let me say for the record, DON'T STEAL, THE GOVERNMENT DOES NOT LIKE THE COMPETITION. Sincerely, John Leckrone
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Unfortunately in my area, safe deposit boxes aren't readily available. I have one safe deposit box at a bank but my collection has out grown it. With my name on an approximate 2 year waiting list for a 2nd box I have to find other means to safely store my coins. Does anyone have any recommendations or ideas for in-house safes?


Many ways if your into a little construction. If you live in a house there is always a place where you could add a fake area with a fake door. Just takes a little imagination. Always a fake drawer somewhere too like under a bed if properly suspended or hidded so not visable. Usually inside closets there is room to add a little phony wall just enough to hide some items. Basements are fantastic for hidden areas expecially near a stairwell area.
Remember a real safe is really not to smart. Being delivered they become a story in the area of how much you have to protect. Burlars that see them may have a gun and pointed to your head or a family member, makes that safe open so fast you would wonder why it's there. If at all visable every friend, neighbor, relative that sees it will spread the word of how rich you are.

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When renting a safety deposit box you are risking theft by government. Make an investment of a security system and a safe and additionally NEVER keep everything valuable you own together. Thieves (other than government) who break in DO NOT stay long. They grab and get as fast as they can and come back another day if you don't fix the problem you had when they hit you the first time. That is assuming you still have stuff left over for them to steal. In closing let me say for the record, DON'T STEAL, THE GOVERNMENT DOES NOT LIKE THE COMPETITION. Sincerely, John Leckrone

Cute. Now I wonder who pays the salaries of that special branch of the government that has nothing to do but pry into safe deposit boxes. Imagine with virtually millions and millions of safe deposit boxes in all types of places, we would now require an entire government agency of millions and millions of people to just spy on our safe deposit boxes.
As to criminals that don't stay long, sure wish you'ld tell that to a neighor of mine that spent weeks in a hospital from a thief. Guess they didn't know what you do about time spent in robbery.
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Tiker, perhaps you could rent one in another town/city and move all of the valuables which you want to keep long term into this second box. That way, if you have something you want to deposit, you'll have space in your local box.

I think the big 3 Canadian banks can deliver things for you between different branches, you should probably ask your branch manager.
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1. In a SDB you don't have to worry as about the dangers of a home invasion. If the banks are robbed, they usually want the cash, not a pile of possibly wills and marrage licenses.
2. In every bank I've got a safe deposit box, the entire bank is air conditioned. That includes the vaults. So the coins are safe from excessive humidity.
3. Most banks, not all, will let you place additional names on the registry so if you pass away, a relative could just go get the stuff with no problems.
4. If you only have one or a small SDB, just place the most valuable items in there. If non valuable items are lost for any reason, it is not as much a horrible experience.
5. If you place some items such as stock certificates, bonds, etc in a SDB and you are in the correct tax bracket, the cost of that box is tax deductable.
6. In most places that have those SDB's the alarm systems, fire detection systems, smoke detection systems, etc are far more effecient that what you may have at home.
7. Yes they are a pain in the ....... when you want to see something, but it's always better to be safe than sorry.
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if your collection is worth it...
rent a jack hammer, buy a 2x2 steel safe, jack out a hole in your basement, cement the box in to the floor with special cement.
but RESET IT BY ABOUT 2 INCHES DEEPER TO ALLOW ANOTHER CEMENT LID/COVER to go over it
put all you stuff in there.
it is water proof, fire proof and will resist most efforts, except another jack hammer.
nobody will even notice that it is there.
total cost about 300-500 dollars, depending on the box size.....
just do not tell anyone, specially not a girlfriend... they come and go...
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The dealer was a fool for not having coin insurance. Okay, he didn't deserve to be ripped off, but he took no precautions either.
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