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Valued Member
Australia
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Hey guys, Posted links to some pictures, below, that I took of a coin I've been sitting on for a while now, without being able to speak of it  (I've been asked by someone well respected by most of us to keep this under wraps until he has seen the images for himself). Believe me, I have taken heaps of pics for him. But, now my curiosity has turned to impatients and has driven me to post these pictures of the mystery coin, and I have done this to ask your views. You all may be thinking you know the coin, by the images, but I assure you that even if you were right, and I imagine the first choice for all will be wrong, I can't say. I promised! Do you see what I see? Dots! http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/...ool/dots.jpghttp://i853.photobucket.com/albums/...ol/dots2.jpghttp://i853.photobucket.com/albums/...ol/dots3.jpghttp://i853.photobucket.com/albums/...ol/dots4.jpgThankyou all in advance for your help. Simon |
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Valued Member
Australia
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Mate, what year is it? The only years to have dots above or below scrolls are 1919 & 1920. However, no coins with 4 dots were minted. Maybe it's been tampered with...? Check out this website: http://www.triton.vg/ozcoins.htmlIt has a wealth of info about these coins. Cheers Simon |
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New Member
Italy
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the only way to be certain,try putting it under a microscope and you will probably stop sitting down on it.  aussie 72 |
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Valued Member
 Australia
70 Posts |
Simon, I can't say what year. Ian has sworn me to secrecy. But I can say that I have studied that website a million times (awesome site). I know there is no record of 4 dots on any year, but that in not to say that it didn't happen at all. Some habbits can be bad, and my habbit is getting excited about possible undescovered varieties (a bit like Mr. McConnelly). But I am a realist, and I know the dots are very faint to the cameras eye, but I assure you that they are there (whether they are supposed to be or not).
Here is hoping =o)
Aussie, I have taken some of the shots with a microscope/camera thankyou for the tip. =o)
Does anyone else see dots in the pictures though? or am I just seeing things?
Simon
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Valued Member
Australia
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Good luck with it. Let us know what the outcome is.
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Valued Member
Australia
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I certainly will, Simon, thankyou kindly for your help =o)
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New Member
Australia
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Was there any outcome to this?
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Valued Member
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The 'dots' I can see more clearly look like blobs and are almost certainly due to die damage. These are of considerably less interest than those dots that are due to holes deliberately punched into master or working dies such as 1919 dot below bottom scroll, 1919 double dot, the 1920 pennies and later Perth issues such as 1940K.G, 1945 Y dot etc.
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Valued Member
Australia
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An update.... So far, nothing! I've decided to disclose the date/die type: A 1920 1A (London die). Ian McConnelly couldn't tell from the pictures, so he is going to have to see the coin in person. I am sorry I had to keep it secret. But, as it has the possibility of being the 9th variety of 1920 pennies, I was asked to keep it under my hat. My silence is broken now hehe.  http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/.../1920obv.jpghttp://i853.photobucket.com/albums/.../1920rev.jpgIf anyone else can see any dots in the pictures here & above, please let me know  Simon |
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Valued Member
Australia
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Thesandpit. Thankyou for your feedback, unfortunately I posted that last message before getting to read your post.
I see what you mean, so is that for all the dots/blobs on this coin? that may seem like a silly question, but I am just trying to figure out what to label it as. Would it be a "No Dot" or are any of the dots/blobs real mintmarks?
Thankyou kindly for your help.
Simon
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Valued Member
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One of the 1920 London obverse die pairs has a small depression to the left of the bottom scroll and has a die crack through the IN of IND on the obverse. The reverse die fills as time goes on; I have seen a number of coins struck by this die pair, some with a very clear dot, some with a very weak dot and others no apparent dot below the bottom scroll (these have been referred to as the "false London obverse 1920 plain"). Given they result from the same die pair, all coins strcuk by these can only be referred to as 1920 dot below London obverse pennies.
I can see that reverse depression and the obverse die crack on the pictures you posted.
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Valued Member
Australia
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Thesandpit. Thankyou so very much, now I know what to label it as. Also you have made life a bit easier in identifying this particular die pairing. I appreciate all your help.  The pictures are not the best, but I tried as hard as I could to get the pictures as clear as possible. It is really hard to get shots that come even close to what you see with the eye and a 10x mag. Happy as Larry, I am. This coin may not be a new variety, but it is definately a harder variety to find. Classed as 'Rare' in Ian's book.  Simon |
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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This is a very old thread that I'm resurrecting  The lines through IND IMP are not die cracks but a defect in the die (like the die sinker had bumped the die with a chisel). Does Simon (Jackool) still post on this forum? Unfortunately Photobucket doesn't show the images any more, I'm curious to find out what the 4 dots were in the end. The Sandpit refers to "die damage" for the 4 dots; I don't know of more than 2 dots (the die marker and the hub marker dots) on this particular pair. Could the extra dots be PMD?  As for the hollows, not every coin from any die pair shows hollows and a number of die pairs from that era have this fault. I think it is a similar problem to ghosting where the amount of metal needed to fill out the other side has effectively sucked the needed metal. Did Ian ever get to see the coin? |
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Moderator
 Australia
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Sorry, but Jackool hasn't been online since 2010.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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