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Help With Identifying A Medallion Please.

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 Posted 12/29/2009  08:18 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add appleangel07 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi, I got this medallion from my father inlaw,we could'nt find out anything about it so I'm hoping someone here will know something,it looks to be of indian orgin on the one side,maybe.
It's brass I believe and weighs 55.7 grams and it is 55mm in diameter.
Any info would be appreciated.

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 Posted 12/29/2009  09:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It appears to be an Islamic "pilgrim token", given by family members to those venturing forth on the Hajj, the prilgrimage to Mecca, serving as both a reminder of the purpose of his pilgrimage and as a "magic charm" to ward off temptations and evil. Being so big, it's not something a pilgrim is likely to accidentally lose.

Such tokens are common in Islamic regions of South and Southeast Asia. This one is Malaysian/Indonesian in origin; a smaller, rather cheaply made version of it is on this zeno.ru page; there are additional links there which will help you find out more about this piece. Here's another, in brass, the same size as yours; it's owner dates it to "probably from the 1950's".
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Thanks very much for that info Sap,much appreciated.
Quite a bit of reading to do there which will keep me busy for a while,Thankyou.
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Hi again Sap,after reading the articles and studying the one in the second link,there seems to be quite a few differences in detail.
The one in the link has a double rim especially on the top half,also the star thing at the bottom on mine has a much longer point that points to what resembles the backward 77 and just overall much better detail.
I guess what I would like to know is if each one would be different because of the way they made them or could the one I have be an original and the one in the link a reproduction,it just does'nt have the same look if you get what I mean,a bit like comparing an australian predecimal original to a modern chinese fake.
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I would assume them to be simple differences in the way they were made, and perhaps wear can explain some of the lack of detail, too - the one on Zeno seems to have been polished to death.

These have no doubt been produced over many decades, and they wouldn't have used the same dies, or even direct copies of the same coin. The design would have been copied onto new dies, by hand - these aren't coins, so didn't need to pass close scrutiny to make sure all the details lined up exactly.

Still, "fakes" of this series do exist; I don't have the Cribb "Magic Coins" book, so I don't know much more about the series than what I read about them on places like Zeno, but the Southeast Asian magic coins main page does list several of the types as "modern imitations".
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Hey Sap, I'm grateful for your help on this,I'm glad I know exactly what it is,"now".
Cheers
Peter.
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