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 Posted 01/09/2010  4:03 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add coretj to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I currently live in an area with a population of approximately 164,000 people. There is only 1 coin shop within an hour drive in any direction. The people who run this establishment charge outrageous prices ( $65.00 for the 2009 mint set ), act like they are doing you a favor by talking to you, run a real estate business out of the same office that gets most of their attention, and overall just seems like you are interrupting them when ever you show up. I have never seen any of them smile. Not even when I saw them get an entire Franklin collection (EF-MS) for 4 times face value. They even bragged after the guy left that they will get 50 times their money back for those "pieces of crap"

My Question:
How do I open my own coin shop?
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 Posted 01/09/2010  4:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kena to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
First of all, my hat is off to anyone who wants to start up their own business.

I hope you don't think my comments are negative towards this.

Basically most everything that would apply to opening any sort of retail shop would apply to a coin shop. I would suggest you speak to your local chamber of commerce and better business bureau. I would also suggest contacting Score (http://www.score.org/index.html).

Is their enough demand for your product? If so, then I suggest you try to keep the exact nature of your business quiet until you close to be ready to start up.

Are there many collectors in your area?

Can you fill in a gap that maybe the banks can not meet the demand for as well?

Can you afford to pay all our personal bills and business bills as well as obtain stock until the business can support itself and provide you an income?

Need to plan on how to attract people to your business. Is there a good location to open your shop?

Have you or are you planning on doing coin shows? Mail order? ebay? Have you considering selling via the forums? Have you looked into an ecrater site?

You also need think about security of your shop, home, and yourself and family if you do this since running a coin shop will most likely increase your risk of being a target of crime.

Just a quick braindump on the matter.

Best of luck.

Keep us posted on your decision and progress if you ahead with this.

Ken
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 Posted 01/09/2010  8:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add WpgLwr to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
kena offers tremendous food for thought.

Another thing you may want to do to see if there is much interest is rent a table at a flea market or some such thing and see the reception you get.

I was a part owner of a sports card store in the early 90s, and let me tell you, if we had had the internet back then, we wouldn't have bothered to set up a bricks and mortar store.

If you set up at a flea market, make some sort of a handout advising people of a website if you can set one up, or at the very least, offer to send them offers online when you get new stuff and collect their e-mail addresses. If you could cultivate customers in this way, then by all means, make the jump to a store, but try it this way for six months or so and gauge the response first. It wouldn't be a great idea to set up and then find that you have no clientele.

If there is no local flea market, contact other hobby stores or hobby clubs that people belong to in the area and suggest that it would be a good idea to set up in a local hotel's sample room one weekend and have a hobby show. Advertise, advertise, advertise.

For example, if I was going to do the same thing, I would contact a couple of antique dealers, the guys from the local breweriana collectors club, a lady I know that has a doll enthusiasts' club, representatives from the local stamp club, that kind of thing.

Bottom line: don't open a store until you gauge the response; your overhead may kill you financially until you build a clientele.

If you operate out of your house, there may be tax considerations where you may be able to write off part of your household utilities, which is better than high overhead when you can't afford it.

Trust me, I've been there.
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 Posted 01/09/2010  9:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Parklane64 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
How many coin collectors do you know in that 164,000?

Any coin clubs?

Any coins listed on CL?
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 Posted 01/10/2010  12:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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My Question:
How do I open my own coin shop?


My question- do you have at least $250,000 in liquid assets and at least 10 years experience buying and selling coins? That is what it would minimally take to run a successful B&M store. Obviously, briefcase, show, or internet dealers would have much lower requirements. Unfortunately, those qualifications are the reason why B&M stores are slowly going the way of the dinosaur.
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 Posted 01/10/2010  12:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Metalman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You can open and operate a coin business from your garage.

if there are collectors in the area that deal with the same stuff you did in the coin shop you described.

My advice is run an add that you are buying coins, see what you can put together for an inventory for less than 5000.00 and start from there build ,give good to great customer service, get your bank to give you a 20,000 dollar line of credit for the stuff that walks in the door and go for it.
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 Posted 01/10/2010  01:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coretj to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thats a lot to think about and a whole bunch of great advise.

Thank you all so much
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01/10/2010 01:46 am
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 Posted 01/10/2010  07:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rggoodie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you do a search on the forum you will find this topic came up before and a number of dealers and members posted some other information you might want to read.

I am intentionally not posting the link to this information. This is done for two reasons. If you are just considering becoming a dealer out of frustration you will do nothing more than ignore this post.

If you are serious about your venture - even on a part time basis- then you will do the research necessary.

Just remember becoming a dealer takes time and effort as well as an initial investment.

Good Luck in your decision.
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 Posted 01/10/2010  6:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not to back up the coin shop but if that is his only income, think about this. With his profits he has to pay a mortgage or rent. Then there is the water bill, gas bill, phone bills, electric bills. Then too he has to air condition the place. All this alone takes maintenance as well. If a water heater breaks, his profits pay for a new one and if he can't intall it, he pays to have it done. Nest is his house or apartment where he lives. If he has a family, everything they eat, clothing, utilities, school supplies if he has kids and on and on and on with expenses. And all come from profits from his store you know. Of course with coins he needs a safe of two, lots of locks on doors, possibly extra heavy doors, burlar alarm systems and those cost money too.
Next is his inventory. He must constantly send for Proof and Uncirculated sets from the Mint. If people want Albums and other coin items, he has to send or go somewhere and purchaase those too. Now that is inventory that just sits there until someone purchases them.
In a small town as you describe, there really isn't a tremendouse amount of buisness for him either so his prices must reflect a profit or go out of buisness.
If you think about trying this for a buisness, note all of the above.
As note if you consider such a buisness in your home or a garage, remember that too could present a dangerous invironment for you and your family.
Have fun.
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 Posted 01/12/2010  12:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coretj to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Carl,
In Addition to his prices, his attitude towards hid customers is also a big concern for me. In my original post I also state that they run a Real Estate business out of the same office as well. So the coins aren't his only source of income. And up here I know a few Real Estate agents that make enough for their families on one sale per month.
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 Posted 01/12/2010  12:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coretj to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Richard,
I searched for this topic but couldn't find anything. I used the search in the upper right and typed in "open a coin shop" "open a coin store" "open a shop" and "open a store". I wasn't able to find the post you referred to. I know you don't want to post the link but I you could tell me the title of the topic it I might be able to find it.
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Carl,
In Addition to his prices, his attitude towards hid customers is also a big concern for me. In my original post I also state that they run a Real Estate business out of the same office as well. So the coins aren't his only source of income. And up here I know a few Real Estate agents that make enough for their families on one sale per month.


Again, not meaning to defend anyone but there still is some items to be contimplated. And a Real Estate buisness in such a small town would not really support a family real well which is why they are trying other sources of income. In a small town in Wisconsin a long time ago I purchased some land. This is town and suburbs, if you could call them that, has well over 60,000 people and THE Real Estate place I went through told me mine was the only sale of anything in many Months. Also, now with the housing and economy the way it is, I highly doubt Real Estate in any small town is really profitable.
Now as to his attitude. I do hope you attempt to open a buisness. You would soon enough learn why he is the way he is. It really takes a person with nerves of steel to put up with the general public. Imagine yourself as the owner of a coin shop. I walk in and spend an hour discussing coins, then walk out without purchasing anything. You own a coin shop. I walk in, the only customer all day and say I don't want to buy anything, it's just that it's raining out and your open.
Again, not meaning to defend anyone with poor, bad or horrible attitudes, but I've worked with the public and there were times when I could ..............
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 Posted 01/12/2010  5:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coretj to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I live in a bedroom community for Sacramento, CA

The Median Home price is currently $201,000
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JBuck, thanks I found a couple
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Now for my 2-cents:
I am not a dealer, but have a friend who is. His store is alarm-guarded, and has remote controll access in, and out. He has a LOT of coins in sight, and on the bid-boards, plus the regular inventory, of supplies, albums, folders, flips etc. The "good stuff", is not in sight. Sure there are a couple 10 ounce silver bars, etc, but no gold, of any kind. I don't know if he also sells on ebay, or not, but in addition to the inventory on hand, he also makes special orders for the regular customers, or maybe just for me, like boxes of square tubes, etc.
My poimnt is this: Unless you are experienced in the coin dealing business, or at least have done quite a bit of buying/selling on ebay, or other on-line type, and know the values of the different coin varieties, errors, ect, you will put yourself, and your family at high risk, trying to open a shop, particularily at this time. Under no circumstances leyt your home address, and location be known! Give ebay a try, and you will get an idea of what you are getting into. That is what I would do, if I were to even consider a shop.
You have been given many "points of view", and I hope you cake them seriously. Your family safety depends on your decision, and future action. If you "take the plunge", I wish you good luck! You will need it.
As for the guy also doing Realestate dealings, at the sasme time, I doubt he is making a "great income" from it, especially in the current situation. my neighbor is a "Broker/Agent, and his wife is also a Broker. They hava at least one of the local motorhomes for sale. One for nearly a year. They have not made a sale in over a year. They went from two cars, to one, ant use a rental at times. Their comment on realesrarte business, BAD! Maybe that is what the guy you refer to is also doing. Selling coins, because the home sales are down to zero! bottom line: I would go ebay. At least you will save a bundle on "overhead", and not put your family at risk..
Dick
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