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1921-D Die Cracks Help

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 Posted 01/17/2010  8:22 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add aladinslamp to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi, I've tried to match this for some time but couldn't find a positive lock...just a few pic's, the date cracks are different, E in E pluribus
has a crack, main difference on revers is a different crack that goes into the denticle's from E to D in united, 1AM was suggested at one time but its not close.....thanks.....
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 Posted 01/17/2010  8:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aladinslamp to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
better add some pics,,,,

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Thanks for any input.......
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 Posted 01/17/2010  10:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zeewool to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice added touch with those pictures buddy. (Smooth move).

Unfortunately I don't think that they are the 'right' pictures to aid someone in helping too much.

I think that the key to this one is going to be found in cracks/breaks in the word 'STATES' on the reverse.

Intuition tells me that there 'will' be some cracks/breaks in that area. Could you please post some pictures? (Just to prove me wrong if for no other reason).
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 Posted 01/17/2010  10:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zeewool to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The reason that I am thinking that we need to look in another area is that all of the pictures that you have posted are dead ringers for a certain vams, but the pictures don't connect with each other to make just "one' VAM.

Does this thing have scribbles?
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 Posted 01/18/2010  12:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aladinslamp to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
acually it does have scribles...Lord knows how I hate scribles, but I was refered to them none the less...as a alternate listing of die cracks for the 21-D....
AS a main feature for the 21's. and I am nooooo expert..but listed die fractures/cracks have many main focal points,,,,so to is it with the SCRIBBLES...
the pictures I have submitted are close to many a listing,, but however they are different......but to appease the few masses.....me and you and others, I will take some pics of STATES.....by the way they don't match.... LOL Pleas give me a few moments to post them.....Gene
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 Posted 01/18/2010  12:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aladinslamp to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
here are some added pictures, but I think the main item in your evaluations is the die crack in united between the E and
D that is evident in the denticles to the right of the D.here are some pics...pics to big....sorry
BRB ok let me try again


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I hope this helps
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 Posted 01/18/2010  01:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aladinslamp to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
from my meager experience with the 21-d die breaks...the Breaks are the key to diagnostics for any of the vams......the cracks are secondary in nature...on this coin, nothing on vamworld lines up with this coin,die breaks being the criticle diagnostic factor.. the break between the ED in united is not a match nor does any break in this area go into the denticles as shown... I hope Super Dave can jump in and shed some light on the subject.......as always appreciate your ideas....Aladin
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 Posted 01/18/2010  09:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zeewool to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah, for sure Super D would be your best bet. I hope that you also know that I am mote than just a wisecracker; I actually did spend my entire morning eliminating possibilities from what turned into a seemingly endless list.

I have eliminated the vast majority of them, and have narrowed it down to 55 scribbles, and 32 normal varieties.

I will email you the list if you like, but my best suggestion would be to throw this coin in the nearest lake and never, ever look at another 1921 Morgan unless a huge Cud jumps out at you from a distance of at least five feet away.
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 Posted 01/18/2010  10:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SeatedNut to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Compare it to the VAM 1K.
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 Posted 01/18/2010  11:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:

Compare it to the VAM 1K.


VAM-1K, you say? Ask and ye shall receive:

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I gotta get ready for work, and can't spend the time to help attribute yet. If the issue is still open tonight when I get home we'll see what we can do.
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 Posted 01/27/2010  11:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aladinslamp to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have been offline for this last week from viruses,
the 21-D 1K doesn't match up but the cracks around the D in united are similare, but the OVS cracks around the neck are completely different, I did wade thru the scribbles pages and couldn't find it either, any help is appreciated....
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 Posted 01/28/2010  12:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zeewool to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I hope you know that I have gone through every picture, every crack map and every description more than just a couple of times; I probably have 4 or 5 hours in this coin.

It is not listed (for sure). I guess you know what to do with it, don't you Buddy?
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 Posted 01/28/2010  01:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aladinslamp to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
as you have, I also have and much more....but I must thankyou for your time, I have left the
other in search of answers I find....and confirmation of things I know....are not found...thankyou my friend.....for your time and confirmation.......Al
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 Posted 01/28/2010  10:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have been beating my head against this one for days, with no appreciable result.
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 Posted 01/28/2010  2:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aladinslamp to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think I will put in the send in box, is there a minimum requirement or
can a send in just a few?
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 Posted 01/30/2010  04:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zeewool to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have heard conflicting things about a minimum of 5 or 10, but not from anyone who probably knew what they were talking about, so there might not be a minimum at all.

I'll bet that one of the guys here knows though.
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