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1890-S Morgan Photo Differences And Grading Please

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First, let me assure you that these are all of the same coin. One photo is taken of each side at a slight angle, maybe 10 degress, but still directly overhead. The other is taken squarely to the coin. Amazing how details can hide. None of these have any post processing.

Second, I'm actually struggling with a grade. I see a MS coin in hand, but I see what is either a really weak strike on the obverse, or some rub. Mainly in the hair region. I'm thinking a weak strike since nothing else to me points towards enough wear compared to the hair. Thoughts anyone?

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The slight angle shift makes all the difference on the detail. I see what appears to be light circulation and not a weak strike. I'm would grade it at AU-58.
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Looks like a slider to me too. From what I can see there doesn't seem to be much luster remaining but a dip in E-Z-est could cure that.

Firmly on the AU/MS fence here.......
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I see what appears to be light circulation and not a weak strike.


Exactly what I was thinking, but my problem is how "clean" the rest of the coin is. I would think that if it saw enough circulation to wear down the hair as much as it is, this coin would be pretty beat up. Weak strike probably wasn't the best terminology to use. More of a late die stage strike where the high points of the obverse(recess of the die) have been worn a bit. Something of that nature. I'm still


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Firmly on the AU/MS fence here.......


That makes two of us.

As a note, there is quite a bit of luster on this coin. I will take some more photos tonight. I had my entire picture area covered up with other things, so this was just taken in the bedroom with light coming in through a window. It's actually pretty darn shiny. I've seen lots of photos like my first one on ebay and I always thought it was a dipped or photoshopped coin. This is neither. Hmmph....
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AU55-58. The marks are more what you'd expect from circulation rather than in-bag collisions. Weakly-struck obverse, yes, but the second set of pics managed to catch the initial mint frost having been worn off by slight circulation. It's especially noticeable on the cheek.
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Based on the second photo set, I agree with an AU-58 grade. The slight darkening of the reverse field around the eagle (compared to field areas in between the letters) tips the balance away from a MS grade, in my opinion.

Many AU-58 coins have fewer marks and better eye appeal than low-end mint state examples. Just because they have briefly circulated doesn't mean they've been beaten up!
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