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Pillar of the Community
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Die gouge; no. PMD; most likely. A raised feature is often caused on a coin as a result of the metal being displaced (raised) to either or both sides of the contact point. Sincere; yes. Objective; no. |
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metalman,bryan,and pls -d bravo! Sorry new close up's aren't up yet. they will be up by days end though. Also, another detail on the ear. I wondered why all the lines on the ear, that was my first clue ! each line on the rim of the ear is a sepperation line for the next repeated ear. so it looks like a bunch of dragonfly larva on the back of the head.
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Pillar of the Community
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Joe , Please take me up on my offer.
the pictures you post no matter how close or how sharp will never replace the coin in hand.
we need to talk.
seriously!
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Alright, time for an overdue update. to give you a better idea of what is , when looking at the coin, it is as if the face started to be only as wide as from back of head to ear , and then grew out past the nose and then stepped back one click. The pictures do vary from host site to here without a doubt. So, I will show some others that show the same type of variety/error/ Starting with a 1992. on the first pict above, notice how it looks as if the face was a seperate die that was on a pendulem that pivots on the top of the bridge of the nose. Long winded I know, but I like nothing more than for someone to prove me wrong when I know I'm right. REALLY! I thought I was seeing things at first. So, I will add others in the succession that I found them. I think this will help matters a bit. I also noticed that if you look at what IS the bottom lip of the prorile, there is a short/fat horizontal detail just where the lower lip ends at the bottom. Well , what I noted as "extra lips" is actualy just the lower lip and the detail below it, with a line going down to the chin. That line going from lower lip to chin is repeated in succession - one behind the other and the rest of the chin is 'Cut off' progressivly.    |
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It's a case of imagination again. Seeing whats there and figuring it must be something else. This coin shows nothing unusual other than various forms of damage. You need to become intimately acquainted with minting practices and what is normal then you will be able to figure out what a real error or die variety looks like. Seeing a mark on a coin that resembles something without being able to explain it is like seeing bunny rabbits when you look up at the clouds.
There are no bunny rabbits floating around at 30,000 ft, and what you see here is also nothing.
Thanks,
Bill
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Joe. You have another thread that you show a real coin error. Let this one be.Keep it and maybe when this is found by others and becomes a true dd or error you can say "I told you so".
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Rest in Peace
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I'd still spend it. Sorry.
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I wouldnt spend it,It does look to me like there is something there....just cant figure out what!
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Pillar of the Community
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505 Posts |
After looking at the coin again,it looks like lettering on lincolns cheek....This is one weird coin!  |
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You need to become intimately acquainted with minting practices and what is normal then you will be able to figure out what a real error or die variety looks like. In all honesty you need to take this advise to heart. Please stick around solely for the aspect of learning for now. If you see something that doesn't "look right" then it's more then likely damage. If you can't learn from the teachings of others then I'd recommend a different hobby. |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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IF the lips were really doubled, other areas of the profile would be doubled as well. Note what happened on the 1984 doubled die.  You see the doubled ear, but note on the beard under the other beard. It is also doubled. The lips are not. So just one area could not be affected and not affect others. I have to go with the damaged theory. If the mark for the doubled edge of the mouth was removed, the coin coin would have appeared to be coin damage. Not a doubled die. Doubled dies cause an area to rise off the coin as the extra hubbing creates a lower device on the die. An area that is sunk into the device would be a hit from something and not a doubled die. Sorry. |
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What is up with the left side of this coin at the L in liberty and is it possible to get a Blakesley Effect if there is no clip?
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Bedrock of the Community
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Look at Coop's picture of the 1984 doubled ear. At the corner of Lincolns mouth (just to the left and slightly below the mouth) you see a roughly triangular raised area of metal. Hit that with something to cause a thin horizontal depression across it and you have his double set of lips. (Especially if the impact pushes up the metal slightly above and below. Damaged coin.
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I think what Coop is trying to tell you is that a mint error is not a one time deal when it comes to die doubling. (The die is the die)!! and a working die is made from a working hub type die and the hub is from a Master die.(think I go that right) Look at the new penny with the extra finger they are all over the place (why) because the mint is not going to shut down the line for a minor error. Most of the time when a die is pulled it will be cleaned and re-polished and put back into service or removed. But 99.99% of the time there will be 10's of thousands made. So if you have a one of a kind you do not have an error you have an mistake. To make it an error, one must find out what caused it, and it must not be from a foreign object. IE: rotated die, no collar, damaged working die ( Cuds),clashed die's and so on. This is just a case that your coin was struck thru grease or wood or some other object during the strike or Post mint damage. If you like the way it looks keep it ..that is what collecting is about. I just bought 2 coins I already have 4 of because I liked the toning. |
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If I were you Joe, I'd put down the pennies, and pick up the Morgan dollars. You would be in good company with the throngs of folks who think they see phantom E, clashed N, and all sorts of other specks, divots and bumps that make the coin valuable or a new discovery. |
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