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One Of A Kind 1982 Lincoln Memorial Cent - If You Don't See This, I Quit!

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 Posted 02/06/2010  6:23 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add joe finds to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Allright! I can't hardly believe the "Experts" can't see what is going on with this coin! "dammaged!" ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
OK! Look at this, once again, totaly enhanced-and customised picture of this same 1982. But , I'm gathering you still don't see so I will tell how to see.
Ok, lets start at Lincoln's lip's. just behind the lips there is another set of lips.just above that, there is a line going up that points to the top of the nose. that same line you will see on the cheek bone, with one behind that, and one behind that and so on all the way to the ear.
now from the middel of Linclon's eyebrow, just when it begins to point down the face , there is a line that points back to the letter G in 'GOD'. you will see identical lines like these all the way to the ear . Where they are attached to the top of the other lines.
Same with the neck between collar and cheek, front to back.
This is , well , if you don't get it with this, I truely am dissapointed. I know what this is. Just don't know how this error happens, What it is called, what it is worth. IF you get a little closer and move your head around you will see more.
---------------THIS IS NOT A DAMAGED COIN ! ! ! !------------------


One-Of-A-Kind-1982-Lincoln-Memorial-Cent---If-You-Don't-See-This,-I-Quit! One-Of-A-Kind-1982-Lincoln-Memorial-Cent---If-You-Don't-See-This,-I-Quit!
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02/08/2010 5:52 pm
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 Posted 02/08/2010  6:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tights24 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ok Joe,

I split out the other replies to this post since you have updated the top with what you are seeing. We'll see what the experts say about your coin and your new pictures.

Let's give Joe a fair shake here and tell him exactly what you see and/or comment on what you think he see's.

Thanks
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 Posted 02/08/2010  6:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ratman4762 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Joe, Once again, You should really quit deleting and re-writing your original post. Alot of people don't make it a habit of re-reading the entire thread. If you want people to see or read something new, Just click on "reply to topic" and post your new pictures and information. If a thread gets to be a couple of pages long....Do you think we know to, or want to have to keep referring to the first post? I know Once I have visited a thread...I start at the bottom and read up until I find one that I already read....then go on to something else.
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 Posted 02/08/2010  7:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jasper62 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I see what He's talking about,looks like a set of lips just to the left of Lincolns Lips But its not a double die ,It's not Machine Doubling.It's either a Nic in the coin that gives the impression of another set of Lips or an odd shaped die chip.I could be wrong and then again I could be right
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 Posted 02/08/2010  7:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chuckster 125 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Joe:

Sorry, but I still don't see anything based on your pics.


Since you are so convinced that this coin has something extremely important going for it, maybe you should spend a few dollars and send it in to a 3rd party grading service like ANACS where you don't have to pay fee's to join etc.


If this is what you decide to do, please post pics when your coin comes back slabbed and attributed.

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02/08/2010 7:32 pm
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 Posted 02/08/2010  7:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SHAFTA9a to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Joe.. We should see a pic of the reverse, it may tell us more.
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 Posted 02/08/2010  7:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hockingzig to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I also don't see anything resembling doubling. I do see the"second lips" but they look like damage to me. Sorry Joe, but I don't see anything other than a damaged,worn coin.
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 Posted 02/08/2010  11:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add joe finds to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I hear you ratman, My reasoning is what was there originaly was totaly useless,a waste of everyones time! And YOUR time means alot to me ! Without your time , all the times in the past, I would have written this coin off as dammaged in the first five seconds. I turned it every which way and asked myself,"what the heck is this?", and "How could somebody have made a coin look like this?".And still the 'Lips' are the first part of all that has been noted.
Maybe the pictures are being ,how should I say, "Un-inhansed"! Or their loosing quality and clarity from here to there to there? But , it is definatley something I assure you.
Before, just prior to my submission of editing this post to where it is now, I asked my 7 and 11 year old daughters to look at this picture comparred to a normal lincoln and I didnt even get to put up the normal pict before they were pointing out that it looked like he was turning his head in a strobe light to look at you!
Jasper62, definatly wrong. Id go into detail, but the fault is not in your judgement but in the picture. let me explain - - -OK, you know how you adjust your lights direction on angle of 'turn o the coin to get the detail you want to show up just as you were looking at it in person? there is so much detail here, Its not possible. I've spent more than four hours taking photos and went through over a hundred to get this last one here.
One thing I must say is when I know when I am right, and at these times, If someone says I'm wrong, I love and hope for nothing more than them to prove me wrong! This merely means that it is my job now to prove myself to you that have brought me to this point. I would'nt have this coin if not for you.
So ,I will spend the next couple hours making whatever changes or upgrades I have to , and bring you pictures that are "worth a thousand words".
Look, I know what you all are thinking by what you are saying.
And, chuckster125, Although afraid to trust te post with this, I will absolutly follow your suggestion. Planned on it. Just want the best of the best. who would you pick if you found a something like a 2nd 73dd, or a copper 43? When I get these pictures right, you too will see. you have my word!
And the lip's are raised-rounded, just like all the other things that should not be there.
There is no hostility here. I NEED you all right now! please stay with me till I am able to show you what this is. You all deserve to see it before anyone else, at the LEAST.
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 Posted 02/09/2010  01:17 am  Show Profile   Check GO's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GO to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Why are you obsessed with finding something that is not there. On this forum alone there is so much information regarding Real DD's and errors that it would take a lifetime to read.

Read, Study, Research, Observe, Ask Questions, Absorb Knowledge, & then Teach.


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THIS IS NOT A DAMAGED COIN

Unless you have done any or all of the previously stated actions then you are in no position to make statements such as that.

My advise is to sit back and learn from others before analyzing something to death and finding things that fit into your own little world of reasoning.
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I think you are mistaken what DD means. with a real Double Die, every coin struck with those dies would have the same attributes EVERY COIN! If something is doubled (and I sure don't see anything in the pictures that even looks like doubling) and its not on the die then it is usually just Mechanical Doubling. I think you think this coin is double struck instead of struck with a double die but even at that I feel you are mistaken. if a coin is double struck, then every single feature is doubled not just here and there. I think you are making parts of the design into something thats not there and thinking it is doubled or some marks on the coin that kind of looks like another part of the design and somewhere in your mind it clicks this is some type of error when in fact its not. If you pay attention there are allot of experts that will not even post in your threads any more because they feel as if you will not listen to what they are trying to teach you because you say the same thing over and over again. If you really think you have something special ANACS doesn't charge a club membership but you will have to pay shipping and grading fees but I really hope you will take some of the information that has been tried to be spoon fed to you before you start wasting your money on grading fees because even then I think you will come in here saying even the professional graders got it wrong on every single coin you send them. Everyone is really trying to help you but it just seems like you don't understand what they are trying to tell you and if you can't understand what is a real error then maybe variety/error coins aren't your forte and maybe you just need to do something else in the hobby like type collecting instead of searching for errors because you are going to see something like this on every single coin you pick up (which I believe you have). If every single coin in a collection(unless it was from a known variety collector)was something special then they wouldn't be special at all. Errors and varieties get their value because they are not common and because they take a long time to find them. If you can go get a roll of Lincoln Cents from the bank and if 25 of the 50 are some type of error then the value is nothing because there would be so many of them people would lose interest in them but luckily thats not the case but you just need to either learn how to distinguish what a real error is or move on to something else because if you don't you will end up getting taken for allot of money by someone preying on the uneducated collector, and believe me there is plenty of people out there that is willing to take the uneducated collectors money and as much of it they can get and not have a second thought about it
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WOW! congratulations on finding the Rare Double Die Lincoln Lips,Now send it in and have it certified.Is that what you want to hear even tho it's not true.I'm not an expert but I've got a enough common sense to listen to the experts on this forum.If I truly believe an expert is wrong I'm not going to keep on arguing with them like a twelve year old.I would have it certified.I have noticed a lot of the experts do not even comment on you're threads anymore.What a Novel Idea
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02/09/2010 06:50 am
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I would personally like a better look at the coin.

Joe I sent you an invitation Via forum email.

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So, I'm curious to know why people are calling these "doubled lips"? Not because of that fact that it's not doubling to begin with, but because the part in question does not contain the same characteristics as the lips to begin with!! What part of the lip design is this supposed doubling part of? Certainly not the part closest to the fields, because there is clear separation there. I'm just trying to figure out where the lips on the main design are that close together?

If my question/thought still doesn't make sense, then try this. Imagine what the lips would look like if you moved the area you're calling "extra lips" up to the regular spot where they belong on Lincolns face. Would that mean that on some coins he is actually squeezing his lips together?

As a side note, do I see the Blakesley effect going on with this coin? Notice the strong rim on the right compared to the almost non-existent L of Liberty.
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Imagine what the lips would look like if you moved the area you're calling "extra lips" up to the regular spot where they belong on Lincolns face. Would that mean that on some coins he is actually squeezing his lips together?

to be honest I didn't even see what you are talking about until you mentioned what it looked like. I have to admit I don't know what that is and haven't looked at enough Lincoln Cents to even know if its part of the design or not (because I don't ever look at them at all here at home)but since you gave me something to look for I do see what you are talking about, guess I will pull out a cent out of the jar and take a look to see if its part of the design or not
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What is with this 'If you can't beat 'em, join 'em attitude? No, don't do it Bryan! Put that penny down!

I say 'You can lead a horse to water, but'.......no, wait a minute...maybe that isn't possible either.
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This is a classic case demonstrating why I don't care about most so-called error coins. Yes, I see the "lips" on both, and assuming that they are not an incuse detail, I'd assume that they were the result of a die gouge. Right? When I compare the two photos, I see details that show on one and disappear on the other, including some of the ones that joe describes in detail. I'm sure that joe sees details much better "in person" than the photos reveal, and I'm sure that he's sincere in his claims.

Frankly, though, I'd spend this worn and damaged coin like any other '82 cent.
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