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 Posted 02/12/2010  05:31 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add aladinslamp to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Ok I was headed for bed when I read a thread about the RedBook and coin values,,,,depite what ever there denomination was.......MANT a time I realize there are questions that shouldn't be asked, but you have to ask do to the many that compare there coins and search the books for the value of there coin......Liken to the RedBook which the suggested retail value, just like any other product on the market......Suggested Value, which we would of should of could of thought that's the going rate OR VALUE of my SAID coin I am interested in....

Many of you know that's not a real value if you accually try to sell the coin for,,,, years ago(don't know if they use this any more) the had the BLUE BOOK (RED/BLUE?) it meant what a dealer would buy your valuable coins for(BLUE)....SELL at the ( RedBook)...
Amazing that your coin is not worth what you paid for it!....How ever I must include they must have some kind of profit margin to cover the expense of paying the bills to keep the shop open and the lights turned on.....Since those long ago days and the internet, many a list of what a coins worth is listed..... Today we have many a list.....The COIN BUBBLE...in which the lists as they vary really represent who you can buy your coins from, meaning DO you pay the highest prices or can you get the market value.....Most of the time it does not matter to the average collector..the real values change sometimes by thousands of dollars by a mere point grade in the upper MS grading.......
I can only guess....that the COIN BUBBLE only effects those who can find there selves some where in the middle OR we would all be buying coins at the SHOP AT HOME NETWORK.....seeing these RARE coins for little money or the 13 other channels..that do the same spectacular job...with the world economy and so many avenues to buy coins DO I have to BE A DEALER to get a break? more than likely YES
but my post is only to enlighten the masses.
it effects us all........many a thing I have in the closet I paid more than it was worth meaning I couldn't sell it for what I paid. and that is the crux of the COIN BUBBLE.......I love collecting, I am not dealer..I'm like you........If I could I would want a dealer who would sell me coins 10% over his cost. or the fair market value..not the RedBook VALUE........that no one lives up to.........
Good thing its time for bed so I don't get into grey sheet and other things......in the end some INVEST rather than collect.I love to collect.......some where in the middle is the coin bubble





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 Posted 02/12/2010  08:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zeewool to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nothing spells reality like ebay. I do not buy there, but the 'completed listings' link is the Bible to me for answering the question of 'how much is this thing worth?'
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In the end, you and I decide what a coin is worth with the size of the checks we choose to write. That's all. Dealers can ask whatever they want; publishers can publish lists until their ink turns blue, and it still boils down to demand.

Not only, "How many people want those coins?" but, "How badly do they want them?"

Knowledge is king. If every collector was wise to grading and valuation of the coins they buy, and disciplined enough to be patient and wait for the right coin, the bottom would drop out of the market. But we're not; we want it, and we want it now. We're willing to outbid someone to get it.

ebay is the great equalizer of numismatics. Staggering numbers of collectible coins appear there every day, some sold by people who are just as clueless as those bidding on them. Others, sharklike, cruise the waters placidly until prey appears and then strike with blinding speed, leaving nothing in their wake to show anything happened. I derive great pleasure from cruising those waters.

Of course, even though zeewool is exactly correct in considering ebay a major arbiter of coin pricing, the range of relative numismatic skills represented there lends an air of unreality to the scene. Is someone willing to pay $1000 for an obvious fake 1909-S VDB deserving of being a market-maker? Is the guy offering a VF 1921 Morgan in an MS67 GEC slab, calling it a "Key Date," contributing anything meaningful to the record?

Like any other field of endeavor, numismatics rewards participants based on their level of hard work and commitment. Unlike most other hobbies, one plays numismatics in an intellectual minefield populated by charlatans, the ignorant and the price list publishers. Each have their uses, as long as you hold them by the scruff of the neck so they can't bite you.
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Oh, yeah - ebay isn't the only clearinghouse. Check this out:

http://www.collectorscorner.com/
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Others, sharklike, cruise the waters placidly until prey appears and then strike with blinding speed, leaving nothing in their wake to show anything happened. I derive great pleasure from cruising those waters.


Dave, you are an absolute scream. I could take in your analogies all day long and never tire of them.Let me wipe the tears from my cheeks.I can visually picture the aquatic scene that you portray.

Right you are about ebay not being singular in providing values of monetary worth, but I view ebay as adding the elements of challenge and danger that just are not found on more reputable sites.

ebay incorporates the matchmaking capabilities of mating unknown buyers and sellers of honest background with those of questionable character.

The knowledgeable are afforded the opportunity to meet the ignorant.
Liars, and those of sound moral status can learn more about the other.

In the end, we may hit the jackpot, or lose our shirts, ebay will provide a very healthy dose of the bright and dark sides, the good and bad sides of human nature to all who dare to rush in.

Nah, sites like Heritage are too bland and tame for me.
If you really like the thrill of the hunt, what could possibly be more thrilling than ebay?
Craig's list is the only thing that comes to my mind.


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Zeelool LOL I have looked over craigs list. I now go there only if I need some brain damage. LOL .... I now just hit places that buy gold and silver for scrap. Most are just turning the metal and know little about coins. You just go in and let it be known that you will buy there crap. (Sorry I can not think of a better term) as long as you get the 1st shot at it all. Then I just scrap the junk I do not what and keep the rest.

With all the new scrap dealers opening up, and the metal market being so volatile many are just flipping what they get with out looking for rarities.
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