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1857 Flying Eagle Cent, DDO. What Snow-#?

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Hello. I cannot find what Snow number this coin is.
I only have the Cherrypicker's Guide as my reference.
It is similar to Snow-4, but the doubling on the eye appears to be more dramatic, as well as the doubling on the N.

It is similar to Snow-10, but there is no doubling on the date.

Can anyone help me out with which variety this is? Thank you!

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 Posted 02/16/2010  4:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nlp coins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice pics, wish I could help. One of the experts will be by soon. nlp
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 Posted 02/16/2010  5:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Definitely a DDO, and the displacement in the eye and letters resembles the Snow-3 to me. Is the wing tip broken?
In total, there are 11 DDOs for this year. Compare to the Snow-3 shown here.
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 Posted 02/16/2010  7:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trdhrdr007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Although close-ups are really helpful you still need a clear shot of the entire coin to get the best answer. I've got the Snow book but can't help you out based on these photos.
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 Posted 02/16/2010  8:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oimcoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hello. Here are 3 more pictures to hopefully help out

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 Posted 02/17/2010  12:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hmm...yeah, the wingtip rules out Snow-3.
The wingtip and doubling more closely resembles Snow-4, but I'm uncertain.
I don't have the attribution guide this year--there may be definitive markers to look for.
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Well, you provided good pictures & I'm still not sure. I'm thinking it might be the S15. The picture of the CA & the top of the tail feathers are a very close match. The snow book states that the S15 is very similar to S3 & S4.

One of the markers is thin denticles on the reverse from 2:00 to 6:00. I would think the mark between the head & the front wing would be another marker. Unfortunately the Snow book doesn't have a picture of that area.
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This thread got me thinking - I know next to nothing about FE's - so some research was in order.

I found a really nice Snow-4 on Rick's site, and an equally-nice Snow-15 at DLRC. The difference in the wingtip seems fairly striking - Snow-4 has a rebuilt and weaker wingtip, Snow-15 the original - and the coin here closely resembles Snow-4 based on that one feature.
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According to the Snow book the S15 is from the "Missing wing tip hub with the last feather(by OF) finished by hand". Sounds like the same hub used for the S4 with slight modification. I don't know how that might affect things but wanted to throw it out there.

I think it has to be S4 or S15. I"ll defer to anyone with more experience than me, which is probably anyone else posting on this thread.
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I"ll defer to anyone with more experience than me, which is probably anyone else posting on this thread.


Except for me.

All I'm going on is the DLRC-attributed Snow-15, which had a fully-finished wing feather. If that one's misattributed, I'm
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 Posted 02/17/2010  3:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trdhrdr007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looking back over the pictures I have it does seem like an S15 would have more wing tip than this one is showing.

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Thank you guys for your help. I guess I will mark it is "Snow-4/15?"
Either way, the doubling is quite dramatic and glad I was able to find this piece!
Thanks again for the help!
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You might try posting a picture of the reverse. There are markers listed in the book I have for each reverse that might help decide between the two. As it stands I'm leaning towards the S4.
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 Posted 02/19/2010  1:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Btw, Rick Snow does attributions for a modest fee, see the site I linked. That would certainly clinch this one.
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According to my book, the S-3 is NOT. The S-4 does not show the right hand side where "america" is doubled. S-15, to me is the closest of all. the spread in the doubling is the closest, and it also shows a slight doubling on the wing. IMHO, S-15.
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I've got a similar 1857 with the broken wingtip. Is it a Snow #3. I don't have a guide.
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