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 Posted 06/13/2006  09:43 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add TLS5933 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
On the 2nd of June I sold some silver bars on ebay, I mailed them Priority mail the same day. Conformation says he received them on June 6th. Now I'm receiving many emails from him wanting to know where his shipment is and if I insured it (he opted fo no ins) and what I'm going to do about it.
I have sent him the tracking,showing it as received but he says he has not. At this point I don't know of anything else I can do. If tracking had shown that he had not received it, I would refund his money, even thought I have no responsabilty to do so, I have in the past.
I think I'm going to get my first negitive feedback out of 400 perfect transactions. I left him a positive when he paid as I don't believe in holding the feedback hostage until they leave feedback.
Any thoughts?
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 Posted 06/13/2006  10:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think you did your part, you used confirmation (which I always do just for cases like this)and can prove someone there accepted the package. I wont say the buyer is trying to get something for nothing but it sure sounds like thats whats going on here and even though you may get a negative feedback from him somethings just cant be helped and I would just keep carrying on as business as usual. You did your part in this transaction and not that it matters I am behind you 100%, if he wanted insurance he should have paid for it, but even then since someone signed for it or accepted it there I still think he would be SOL even if it was insured
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 Posted 06/13/2006  11:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TLS5933 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Bryan,
Normally I would have thought this is someone looking for something for nothing,and although he only has 64 transaction, he also has 100% positive feedback. I just went to my P.O. and filled out a form to do a trace internally,just to cover my butt. He will also receive the results of that trace.
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 Posted 06/13/2006  1:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CiScO to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thats why depending on the amount of the shipment I try to "insist" on insuring the package to "cover my but". Keep in mind that if the package is insured the "sender" is the one who gets the money, not the buyer. Correct me if I am wrong. The 2nd thing is how he paid? was it Paypal? if so, he has a remedy by filing a not received package complaint and PP will return his money by taking it out of your account. Remember Delivery Confirmation is not a guarantee. Even with DC the PO will just stick it in the mailbox--there is no signature unless YOU request it with that green card that you paid for and that is mailed back to you, that signed green post card IS proff item was received at that address.. All DC does is say "yea we delivered it"--that is my understanding. Thats why on expensive items I "include" insurance to cover my but on the auction. If potential buyer does not like it, he can move on.
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 Posted 06/13/2006  9:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jdheyne to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
In my experience, I have found that "insurance included" with the shipping cost is the best way to go. It is not the buyers responsibility to insure the item, even if you state that in your auction and they decline it. No matter what I sell, I figure out how much it will cost me to ship insured for the amount I believe it is worth to California, and have that as the fixed price. Every great once in a while I still have people adding insurance, and are normally very happy when I send it back with their item.

Wow... after typing that, I looked above and started reading Cisco's response... pretty close on thoughts.
It will be interesting to see what spawns from this, seeing as how you did have DC. Maybe that will be enough for eBay/PayPal (if paid through there) to say yes, you did your part.
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 Posted 06/13/2006  11:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgan Fred to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A topic near and dear to my heart. TLS, I am wondering whether the package was sent to a PO Box or a street address? Was it in a small community or a city? With a smaller Post Office, often the postal clerks or carriers will remember if a parcel was picked up and by whom. I use DC on all my sales, keep track of them just to avoid situations such as this. However, for reasons just like you describe, I am going with something a little more definitive such as Signature Confirmation this fall when I get back into eBaying.

I also require insurance for items over 50 dollars. Below that, it's only optional.
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 Posted 06/14/2006  6:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TLS5933 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by Morgan Fred

A topic near and dear to my heart. TLS, I am wondering whether the package was sent to a PO Box or a street address? Was it in a small community or a city? With a smaller Post Office, often the postal clerks or carriers will remember if a parcel was picked up and by whom. I use DC on all my sales, keep track of them just to avoid situations such as this. However, for reasons just like you describe, I am going with something a little more definitive such as Signature Confirmation this fall when I get back into eBaying.

I also require insurance for items over 50 dollars. Below that, it's only optional.


Fred, It was to a street address in Oakdale CA, I don't know how big of town that is.I'm afraid I'm going to have to go to signature conformation from now on, I hate to do this because it adds more fees for the buyer. But one large loss could make up for a lot of fees. I haven't heard from this buyer since I sent him the confirmation from USPS. Just have to wait and see.
Terry
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 Posted 06/14/2006  11:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgan Fred to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by TLS5933

Fred, It was to a street address in Oakdale CA, I don't know how big of town that is.I'm afraid I'm going to have to go to signature conformation from now on, I hate to do this because it adds more fees for the buyer. But one large loss could make up for a lot of fees. I haven't heard from this buyer since I sent him the confirmation from USPS. Just have to wait and see.
Terry



Terry, Oakdale, CA is about 15,500 people according to my Walmart Atlas. Not small, but not big. If it comes down to it, especially with carrier delivery to a street address, the Post Office could be contacted and the carrier just might remember delivering to the address. Further, with your DC tracking number, that should confirm that the parcel was delivered to the right place. If the buyer has some in-house problems (my ex-wife had intercepted some of my mail, forged my signature to a client's check), it should be up to the buyer to resolve the issue. The fact that he has not responded after you sent him the evidence that it was delivered is, in my opinion, a point in your favor, but it may not be over yet; he may now be doing some in-house investigation (wife, kids, live-ins, whatever).

Please keep us posted on events as they occur.

Fred
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 Posted 06/15/2006  01:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TLS5933 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Fred,
I will.
Terry
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