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Just Curious About Overpolished Dies On 1969-S Lincoln Memorial Cent

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The post by Ceylon62 about the '82 Kennedy no FG got me to thinking.

If collectors scrambled for that coin over no initials, why wouldn't a coin with a major section of a device that's missing be sought after? Like this LMC I posted earlier where Lincoln's statue is completely missing. This is a '69S.

I know there is the argument of the low mintage figure on the Kennedy, but that would not explain the (ironically) '82 No P Roosevelt that had roughly the same mintage as this LMC.

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I've seen the FG polished out of LMCs but never the statue.
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I know. Wild, right?

I love this coin! It's in great condition, and although it may or may not have any value, it is one of my favorites. Just trying to figure out why collectors would flock to one over another. I have another one where he's almost gone, but you can see remnants of his knees or maybe the chair. I should probably look and see if there are markers to connect the two.
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Cool! Just as I suspected, they match up perfectly, including the obverses.

Would an RPM be too much to ask? Here are the two side by side.
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Lincoln couldn't be polished away...but grease in the die could make him disappear.

The 1982 "No P" dime was not the same situation. The "P" was not on the die at all.

A mystery to many is the popularity of the 1922 "no D".

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So you think it may have been grease? I guess I was just going by all the scratches. I thought those were signs of polishing. They are through all of the bays.
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A mystery to many is the popularity of the 1922 "no D".
Yes, the most unwanted hole in my Lincoln Dansco album.
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Two coins from the same die pair. No RPM from what I can tell. Die scratches from cleanings. The two coins could be from different die runs? The die scratches on the one on the left are starting to fade. The mystery why people get into polished out devices are beyond me. The three legged buffalo, 1922 no D and others I feel are just fasination pieces. A variety collector can only shake his head and look for earlier die state coins.
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I am curious about this as well
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The three legged buffalo, 1922 no D and others I feel are just fasination pieces.


I agree. But, if you can't beat - join 'em! I don't think I would ever go out of my way to purchase such coins, but if they fell in my lap like this did rollsearching, I'll certainly hang on to it.



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Die scratches from cleanings.


So, do you think Lincoln is missing because of grease, too? Or is cleanings the same as polishing the dies?
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Yes, the scratches are from polishing. On the die, Lincoln is incuse (sunk below the surface). So do you think that enough metal was removed between those columns to reach all the way below the deepest part of lincoln? Or perhaps during the polishing process he was filled in with junk (metal shavings, and polishing compounds) My money is on the second of those two choices.

Maybe I'm splitting hairs. :)
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i recently found a 1983P with only the slightest hint of the knees visible and nothing else of the statue. I unsure about posting a photo of it, but has a lot of die polish marks also. if anyone is interested, I will post a photo. interesting coin. photo added

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I want to start off by saying I do not do errors at all but want to ask if I am the only one who has noticed it looks like this coin has a floating roof. I know these are a dime a dozen but may go along with the polished dies thing being discussed here. In the case of the 22-D there were no "P" mint marks made that year,and the "D" is completely gone. Same with the 37-D buffalo the leg was completely gone. These factors along with the interest in them is what makes these coins valuable. It wouldn't matter if there were only 5 of a certain variety if there is no interest in that variety it still would not be valuable
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i recently found a 1983P with only the slightest hint of the knees visible and nothing else of the statue. I unsure about posting a photo of it, but has a lot of die polish marks also. if anyone is interested, I will post a photo. interesting coin.


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Was Lincoln's disappearance caused by die wear and die polishing?


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but want to ask if I am the only one who has noticed it looks like this coin has a floating roof


Hey, I didn't notice...looks pretty cool!
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I want to start off by saying I do not do errors at all but want to ask if I am the only one who has noticed it looks like this coin has a floating roof


Didn't notice until you mentioned it! I know the "floating roof" types were common for that era. Thanks for adding to the appeal. Got so focused on finding Waldo, I mean, Lincoln that I didn't look at the rest of the coin!
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