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1908-D Barber Quarter

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This is in a problem free slab from one of the big 4 TPGs. How would you grade this coin?

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 Posted 03/23/2010  12:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm going to say EF-40,
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I'd give it a VF-20.

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I hesitate to post the following because I don't want to be insulting in any way. But when I look at this coin, it shows several signs of a past cleaning to me. There is old toning around the devices and the high points of the design look flattened and dull to me.

Now, photos are tricky and it is possible that I am not reading the coin correctly. In fact, my purpose in posting is primarily that - i.e., am I mis-reading this (and other coins)?

I'd grade it VF-35 but it looks cleaned to me.

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From our CCF Coin Facts:


Barber Quarter


General Grading Standards
G4 Good - Date and legends readable. LIBERTY worn off headband.
VG8 Very Good - Minimum of three letters in LIBERTY readable.
F12 Fine - LIBERTY completely readable but not sharp.
VF20 Very Fine - All letters in LIBERTY plainly even.
EF40 Extremely Fine - LIBERTY bold, and its ribbon distinct.
AU50 About Uncirculated - Slight trace of wear above forehead, on the cheek and on the eagle's head, wings, and tail.
MS60 Uncirculated - No trace of wear. Light blemishes.
MS63 Select Uncirculated - Some distracting contact marks or blemishes in prime focal areas. Luster may be impaired.

I would call the LIBERTY certainly readable and bold but with obvious wear on the face, hair and the eagle, so I'm also going with EF-40.

Nice! There are not too many out there this nice!

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You are all more conservative graders than ICG. They graded it EF45 and I think that is too high. I personally think it merits a VF35. This was my first ICG purchase and I am not too impressed. I have heard some good things about them. Perhaps they do a better job with other series.

Fortunately, I did not pay EF45 money for it and it fits in well with my Barber quarter collection.
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The obverse, I feel could merit a 35, but the reverse is lower grade, which if you collect Barber quarters and/or halves, you know that's common. It's a nice coin though.

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It was graded EF-45 for the luster IMHO, it's XF- details but much more luster than typical
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I agree with Shadow. VF+ with a bonus for luster.
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I looked a Barber quarter yesterday at the antique mall that was in similar condition, but even cleaner. I don't remember the date, but I did check their price against the May edition of "Coin Prices". I think they were asking $30 which seemed fair for the date and condition, but I didn't even consider buying it because I ASSUMED it had been cleaned.

I'm new to collecting and would be interested in knowing if any of you overlook the fact that a coin has been cleaned when it is in really good condition.
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In my opinion....and only my opinion, some kinds of cleaning are more tolerable than others. I don't mind so much a coin that's been dipped, but one that's been abraded and scrubbed doesn't do much for me, and won't stay in my collection. It also depends upon the price you are paying as to whether it's acceptable or not. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and if the coin appeals to your eye, and you feel it's price reflects the state of preservation, cleaned or not, then there's nothing wrong with owning it. Be aware though, that there are high brow collectors who will never accept a coin that's knowingly been dipped. They just buy them in top tier TPG holders that don't denote the cleaning....and I have seen plenty of cleaned coins in those holders.

The bottom line in the whole thing has to be "what it's worth to you"....not so much what it's worth to the next guy. If only coins that were "untouched originals" made it into collections....there would be far fewer collections, because many have been tampered with, and when you get into the really old series', MOST have been altered in some manner over the many decades, having passed through the hands of many different collectors.

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