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1997 Dbl Die!

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 Posted 03/26/2010  1:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Adam_E to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
well, could this still have value?
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 Posted 03/26/2010  2:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add steve199 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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well, could this still have value?


Patience, Padawan, patience...

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Hopefully we will see Mike Diamond and others who could figure this out get on here and give their opinion. Personally, I've never seen anything like it; very intriguing!
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I had '64 that had incuse doubling. Nothing like this one, just a single image shifted to the left on the obverse (LIBERTY and backside of Lincoln) and to the right on the reverse (UNITED STATES) of the raised inscriptions/devices. Mike told me it was die fatigue/deterioration. But it has always baffled me as to how the die deteriorates to having raised material to cause incuse doubling. I threw it in a flip and held on to it anyway.
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Mike told me it was die fatigue/deterioration


A tired die can give that sunken look, or reflections, around devices. But would it have that much rotation to it?

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But it has always baffled me as to how the die deteriorates to having raised material to cause incuse doubling


Maybe the area of the die isn't raised, as much as the fields of the die further away from the devices are compressed just a little more over time from the pressure. Perhaps that the sides of the devices (and the coin being struck inside the die) provide some sort of support to the fields right against the devices, so those areas don't compress as much over time. But this hypothesis is not (necessarily) about this coin.
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, it's baffling.

Like I said, nothing like this one, just offering the explanation I got for incuse doubling.
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as everyone knows I am not an error collector but I do not think this is a squeeze job or anything. At first sight I thought maybe glue because it looked like residue on the left side but then thought it would be a mirror image and this isn't mirrored so that struck that out. I have no idea what it is but I don't think I would be spending it if it were mine. I would keep it just as a curiosity even if deemed to only be worth 1 cent
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so I stumped everyone?
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"Everyone" hasn't seen it yet. I think there's less folks on here on Friday.
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well it is still a lil early, some people don't get off work until 5 no matter what time zone they are in. this is a hobby it doesn't pay any bills
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I'm stumped. Initial thought was "hammer job"...but, that whole why isn't it reversed issue, kinda puts a kibosh on that idea. If it's a "made" error, someone put a lot of time into it to release back into the wild.

Gotta get that zinc rot/verdigris put to bed soon if turns out to be something of value.

Thanks for sharing.
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 Posted 03/26/2010  7:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Home made soft die created to distort the image with soft distracting strikes probably pressed in a vice with leather on each side to not distort the rims.
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Very cool looking find Lafaa123
Coop or anyone else,What is a Soft die? and why release it back in circulation after making it? Looks like it's been in circulation for some time.
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A soft die is created from material outside the mint by someone wishing to create an error. Exactly how they do it, I don't know. But they try to make them appear as a double/triple/quad struck coin. The give away is usually the reverse. Without the extra strikings that match the obverse or missing tell you it was created.
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Thanks coop
I was wondering why the reverse was not rotated like the obverse.I've never seen one like this.
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I would still keep it as an example of people playing with there money instead of the mint
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