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Does PVC Contamination Require Direct Contact

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I see folks on here worry about items that are near the coins having PVC in them...for example, the notebook itself, or the plastic tubs all the albums are living in.

Does the chemical (the softener) in PVC that can get on coins and damage them travel through the air?

Yes, I know there can still be risks even if it does require contact (coins laying on notebook for a long time, for example).

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It is my understanding that some plasticizers (phthalates) used for PVC can and do evaporate, as stated in this portion of the Wikipedia article (However, I do not see a source so please take it for what it is).

I do not know whether the plasticizers used for the "PVC" we love to hate has this ability. My guess is that if you can easily smell it, then the answer is yes.
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It's hydrochloric acid (PVC decomposition product) that does the damage. It can exist as a liquid OR a gas at room temperatures. The answer is YES, it can travel through the air.
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Thanks, guys...
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Easiest sign of PVC usage in soft plastics is the "shower curtain smell". A brand new cheap shower curtain has a distinctive chemical smell, PVC flips and pages will have the same smell in almost all cases.
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And what if to put paper between plastic and coins?
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Paper itself can cause unexpected toning of coins over a similar time period; it often contains sulfur. However, the damaging chemicals from degraded plastic can pass straight through paper, as well as through other kinds of plastic that would otherwise be quite safe.

Case in point: I was recently given an album of Australian decimal coins which were in mint state, or close to it, when they were placed in the album. The album has plastic pages, with thin cardboard pages to back them. In this particular case, the plastic album pages themselves weren't the problem - the coins in the pages in the middle of the album are still mint state, with no sign of PVC damage.

However, the coins in the front and back pages are now ruined, because the album cover is made of a different kind of plastic which has clearly degraded - it feels sticky to the touch. The 50 cent coins (made of cupronickel) were on the front page, which was directly in contact with the covers, and every single one of them has turned a sickly green colour.

All of the one cent coins, on the back page, have also been ruined, turning a shocking black-brown colour, even though the 1 cent page was protected from direct contact with the album cover by the backing sheet. The only explanation for all the bronze 1 cent coins discolouring in the exact same fashion is that the reactive agents migrated straight through the backing sheet, into the album page and onto the coins.
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