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Found Two Old Houses And Barns. Have A Question

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 Posted 03/31/2010  1:28 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add mmerc20 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
There are a couple old remains of houses within a mile of where I live and I'm wondering how to figure out how old they are. Shortly after moving in to where we live now, I spotted this "shape" out in the woods in the bird's eye view of google maps. It was about a half mile walk or so through very thick woods and I needed a compass with me to find my way, the rolling hills threw me off and got lost the first trip. The following picture is what I found.

There were remains of a few buildings and in one spot were a bunch of old glass bottles broken. Some seemed of a larger size and I was wondering if it might have been a still.

Anyways, I wish I had some finds to report on, but I haven't detected it yet. I will try get over there late April early May

Found-Two-Old-Houses-And-Barns.-Have-A-Question. What I'm wondering is how would I go about finding the age of the house and/or the property. I assume the library would be the first start, but I'm not sure what to look for. County property records?
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 Posted 03/31/2010  3:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add razorear to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm just guessing here, but it does look like an early 1900's shanty house. Its probably not hard to tell that there was hardly any upkeep on the place. It probably was a bootleggers paradise at one time.
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You should be able to tell just by the construction.Have you been inside?
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Lots of broken glass bottles , yes it could have been a mid sized bootleg operation. When you do get to detect it look for round steel hoops. These would have been from the wooden barrels used in the whiskey making process. Also check for shallow holes or depressions in the ground that may be the size of say a good size oak tree. This would be what is called a stump hole and on rare occasions a jar or two of money may be found in these. One such find was made near my town in eastern N.C. about 8 years ago. At the time the coins were estimated to be valued at around $35k. So with that said............Good hunting!
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 Posted 03/31/2010  4:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mmerc20 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm a little afraid to walk inside. The second story has collapsed and the whole place is leaning.

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The timbers look to be 1920-30 so very well could be around the prohibition era.
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Is this private or public property?
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I don't think I would go in there without shoring it up some.
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Your county clerk should have information on the ownership, past and present of the parcel of land on which this structure stands. Take a screen shot of the Google view with you to help in narrowing down the township and range ID. Looks interesting. FYI - my old garage, which probably was built in 1925 or so, leaned like this, too. I hired Frick and Frack to take it down, and even though they cut through the support 2x4's and hooked a chain to it, it almost didn't come down. I salvaged the 2x4's, all southern yellow pine, and so far have made a workshop bench top from them. They used REAL lumber back in those days, so your structure might stand for decades.
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watch out for bugs lol!
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I would not enter that place at all.
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Through the years I've found several shanties like this one. The broken bottles wouldn't lead me to believe it was a bootlegging operation. All of the shanties I've searched had trash piles that contained a lot of broken glass. They didn't have trash pickup and the majority of staples came in glass bottles and jars. Most dug a hole and disposed of the glass in that hole.

I wouldn't recommend swinging a detector inside due to the instability of the structure and the amount of trash strewn around. It would be virtually impossible to get a clear signal through that stuff. But I would search the outside thoroughly.

What State is this in?
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There should be county plat maps at your county seat. The ones I have seen, seem to be done about every 10 years and would have a mark and a name for each house.

Also a lot of counties you can access tax information online. For our county it shows each piece of property. It also list when house was built, who owns it .. price of last couple sales. with plat and satellite maps. Maybe your county has something similar.
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Youngsters may have used this area to sneak their consumption. I would search the outside, and the leave in inside alone, or you may wind up someone else "discovery".

If you look up the prior occupants of this "building", her name may be Eileen (I Lean) Pyle.
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From the spray painted graffiti inside, it's obvious that someone else knows about the place as well. From your pictures, it is hard to tell whether this was a house or an outbuilding. Is there a back door to it? It looks to me as though the first picture above might well be the front of the place. From the apparent age of it, though, it is possible that there may be some collectibles lurking.

Figure out where the back door or back porch is. Take a glass bottle or jar and throw it as hard as you can -- where it lands would probably be the distance away from the house where you will find the garbage pit. Sweep the area to see if you can find it. Old bottles can be worth big bucks, as can such things as old beer cans. With the latter, do not worry if they look rusty -- they usually had a very deep layer of paint on them pre-World War II, and most of what looks like rust will come off of them with the right acid bath. Note that the oldest beer cans have necks on them and are called "conetops". Some of these can be worth hundreds.

See if there is some kind of a landmark that you can see from the kitchen window -- a big boulder, or something, and also see if you can see a fenceline. Since there was usually no bank readily available, some people put their cash in a can of some sort and buried it where they could keep an eye on it. This is where you want to swing a detector.
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Very interesting information and ideas everyone. It's in North Carolina hence the grafitti "UNC IS WAY BETTER THAN DUKE" on the wall LOL

The opposite side of the house is the remains of a big porch. Possibly 1/2 to 2/3 the length of the house. There are a couple old fallen down sheds within a couple hundred yards of the house and near the one I found a large pile of Schlitz cans. Probably 1970s era.

It's about a 20 minute trek through the thick woods to get to it, and that was during the winter without any growth. The next chance I will have to detect will be late this month or early May however I will try to hit it hard.

I will certainly keep everyone posted with any potential finds and make sure I bring my camera out there. I'm not sure if the house is even still standing since I took the pictures in early 2009 before I left on my deployment.

Mike
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