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This is my first time for posting to this forum and also my first time for photographing a coin. I hope I don't make a mess of the former like I made of the latter. I bought this Indian at a show yesterday out of a bargain bin. I'm not sure why. Well, I know why I bought it; not sure why it was in the bargain bin. The thing I'm a little unsure of is the color. It's got a nice chocolate brown color. But the CuNi coins tend to be more yellow, don't they? Maybe you can tell me.... Image Insert: Image Insert: TIA |
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The color isn't unusual for the 62 circulated Indians. It actually looks like a nice coin with a good "Liberty" showing. However, I'm noticing some pretty deep dings in the headdress and on the "N" Reverse - that's probably why it was in the Bargain bin. It's a Civil War year so who knows how the dings appeared. I like to use my imagination on those.
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Hi Texasmick
I cant be 100% positive, but I see indications of a cleaning on the coin, This maybe the reason that the color doesn't look quite right, the coin has some signs of corrosion also .
both good reasons for the coin to be in the bargain bin.
Having said that the coin has good detail- VF damaged/cleaned .
Rick
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06/27/2006 1:10 pm
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I agree with metalman that it's been cleaned and it does have corrosion.So I'd say F/VF.
B12
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Thanks to all for your informed opinions. I feel less good about my purchase than I did yesterday, but that's part of the educational process.
At my current level of development, I assess a coin primarily on condition and eye appeal. I'm bad at detecting cleaning if it isn't really obvious. And as far as dings, I figure that if an MS62 can be highly desirable with many small imperfections, then why can't a VF? I suppose that's my inexperience talking.
Anyway, while the box was full of bargain prices (i.e, below bid), it seems you still get what you pay for.
Thanks again,
Mick
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Hi Mick
VF is supposed to have circulation marks, wear and most anything else that can happen to a coin in the hands of kids,soldiers and adults, store owners and others,,
That is what makes some folks collect in that particular grade, its the history and possible stories that surround the coin.
If the coin appeals to you then you did not get a bad coin, or a bad deal,,
The marks on a mint state coin are somewhat different than what is found on a circulated coin,, On a MS coin the marks can be directly related to the hopper that they dropped in or the time in the bags from the mint to the banks.
Rick
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06/27/2006 3:15 pm
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I too would agree to the coin being cleaned but, not cleaned as we define it but, atleast washed and rubbed. I too see the shine and corrosion. Perhaps a "dug" coin? What do you think Rick?
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Hi dsking Its possible that it was a dug coin, but the soil was kind to it if it was,, these cents (CuNi) did not take being buried very well in general. Here is an example , the pic quality is poor it was taken with my old camera and I have not redone them yet ,, can you guess the date from the reverse pic ?  Rick |
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Thats it 1859 ,, dug up here in the desert southwest.
Rick
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may I ask how you came up with 1859 from that picture? I looked at it streight on, with my eyes squinted, and just about every other way known to man except standing on my head and I sure couldn't make out any date. Are my eyes that bad? Of course I am not familiar with Indian cent's and I am guessing theer is some sort of difference in the reverse of the 1859 but I just dont know what it is, so this will be a learning experience for me Edited by Bryan1315
06/28/2006 4:14 pm
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Originally posted by Bryan1315
may I ask how you came up with 1859 from that picture? I looked at it streight on, with my eyes squinted, and just about every other way known to man except standing on my head and I sure couldn't make out any date. Are my eyes that bad? Of course I am not familiar with Indian cent's and I am guessing theer is some sort of difference in the reverse of the 1859 but I just dont know what it is, so this will be a learning experience for me
It is a pic of the reverse so there is no date to see. The first year of the Indian Head (1859) had a one year only reverse with a wreath and ONE CENT in the middle of it. In 1860, it was changed to a different style of wreath with a shield at the top of said wreath and ONE CENT still in the middle. Edited by biokemist6
06/28/2006 4:22 pm
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[:0]Wow!! VERY impressive Texasmick!!  Edited by thingee
06/28/2006 7:12 pm
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quote:
Originally posted by Bryan1315
may I ask how you came up with 1859 from that picture? I looked at it streight on, with my eyes squinted, and just about every other way known to man except standing on my head and I sure couldn't make out any date. Are my eyes that bad? Of course I am not familiar with Indian cent's and I am guessing theer is some sort of difference in the reverse of the 1859 but I just dont know what it is, so this will be a learning experience for me
The 1858 is a Flying Eagle and not an Indian. Here are examples of the 1859 Indian and the 1860 Indian for you Bryan: 1859 Indian Reverse  1860 Indian Reverse  |
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quote:
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may I ask how you came up with 1859 from that picture? I looked at it streight on, with my eyes squinted, and just about every other way known to man except standing on my head and I sure couldn't make out any date. Are my eyes that bad? Of course I am not familiar with Indian cent's and I am guessing theer is some sort of difference in the reverse of the 1859 but I just dont know what it is, so this will be a learning experience for me
First year issue had a laurel wreath and no shield. Also made of Copper/Nickel (75%/25%) like the FE cents. 1860 on had an oak wreath with a shield at the top. Copper/nickel, a very tough metal and thus hard to find with good strikes, continued till 1864, when bronze became the metal of choice. Edited by Stephen420
07/14/2006 2:57 pm
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