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2 1967 Pennies "Whats Wrong With This Picture"

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 Posted 04/06/2010  6:33 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add ChickLit to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Heres a couple of odd ones. The one on the left looks like it might be mint damage? The one on the right is missing ts beak? If anyone has any thoughts or opinions as to whether this is mint damage/errors or human damage, I would love to hear them.

I can not find any information on a 1967 beakless bird!


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 Posted 04/06/2010  7:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JimR to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I cant speak to whether the clip is a mint error or not. I dont see a Blakesley effect but that doesn't necessarily mean its not a clipped planchet.

Nothing indicates to me that the coin on the left is a fake though.

The missing beak on the coin on the right may be due to a weak strike.

This is all speculation as I am not familiar with this coin. However I really like the reverse and would like to add one to my collection someday.
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 Posted 04/06/2010  7:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ChickLit to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Thanks Lafaa, I never even considered that it might be a fake? Even if it were, it was collected at face value out of my pocket change within the last 30 some years, along with the other. Could be...


Oh, and Jim, ifin I ever get 50 posts I will legally trade you a coin. I have quite a few of these, not quite so shiny, but would make a great addition to a collection until something better comes along.

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 Posted 04/06/2010  7:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinsrfun to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Lafaa, please explain as to why the clip is a fake? Sure looks legit to me.
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Yes lafaa, please explain. I have seen you chime in on a couple posts first telling them what they have is fake. I'm no pro at this but from what I have read you are young and still pretty new at all this. I just want you to be absolutely sure in your assessments when new members get on here looking for information on their coins
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 Posted 04/06/2010  9:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jokingjoker to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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and just because I'm young does not mean I'm not smart.....


No, no, no, that doesn't mean your not smart. But maybe just not well versed in coin Counterfeit Detection.

Let me just give you a scenario:
A member joins this site because they believe they have a error coin and they want some info on it. Their first post is of the coin requesting info on it. You are the first to reply telling them it is a fake. They see you have close to 1000 posts so assume you have been on this site for a while and are an expert in such things. They log off never to return, discard the coin and it turns out to be a genuine high dollar error or variety.

I just don't want to see something like this happen on an assumption. So if you are 100% sure that it is fake, post away. Though, I just saw a post the other day when you called a coin fake, someone called you out on it and you deleted all your replies.
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well I deleted them again
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CJ, for coin #2, could it be a variety? it kind of looks it comes to a point in the middle....
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That's bad manners Laffa .... deleting your posts ..... indeed .... the positive feedback we have been giving you is worth hearing ....

We all enjoy your energy ..... but worry a bit about your uninformed opinions leading newbies astray.

Here is an idea .... pull up a stool to the CCF campfire for a while .... ask questions and learn .... grow in your personal knowledge ..... then you can someday achieve through work and effort the skills/wisdom necessary to offer educated opinions.

Hope you stick around long enough to achieve that goal.

David
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ill delete my posts if I get yelled at
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CJ, can you post a pic of the supposedly clipped planchet on the edge?
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here's one I found online


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I have no opinion on the beakless bird but on the missing area - MHO is that it is not mint damage. The edges on the 3 pennies I have all have very crisp edges from the cooker cutter way they punch press the coins. On your coin I don't see any crisp edges - I see rounded edges. If I had to decide I would not buy this as an error coin. Just my humble opinion.
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I see Blakesly effect on the reverse of the clipped coin
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looks like the beading has an appropriate stretch to me on the clip. The rim has a weird partial indent and frankly I'm not sure. No call there one way or the other. I like it.

The guy without the beak is unusual but if you look at the upper half of the penny as a whole, it's weakly struck as far as I can tell. The "1 cent" and upper beading seem to lack crispness while the coin surface is relatively nice.

Edit: typed in the wrong term
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04/06/2010 11:16 pm
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It is a minor incomplete(clipped) planchet, the Blakesley Effect is weak but most noticeable on the effigy side.

As an aside, if you are not well versed in error diagnostics then it is just best to not post anything as to avoid confusion
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