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1877 Indian - Fake Or Real?

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This 1877 has a very strong N in cent, real or fake?

http://cgi.ebay.com/1877-RARE-DATE-...VG_W0QQitemZ380221268902QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCoins_US_Individual?hash=item5886f423a6
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I would stay away from it... real or not
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I wouldn't stay away from it IF it was real...
Very large IF because this coin is without-a-doubt no good.
The center of the reverse is what to look for.
A lot a the center of the 70's indians are weak.

Check out this link
http://oimcoins.com/index_files/Page525.htm

I actually just noticed you stating about the strong N.

But your concerns are good concerns to have because that coin cannot be genuine.
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 Posted 04/12/2010  9:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
IMO this is a copy and not an altered date. The overall appears seems cast to me.
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If it is fake it is probably fooling the seller too. He's got great feedback and seems to have been in the coin business for a long time. That being said, if I were to bid on it I'd write him first to see if he would give a refund if the coin was sent into a TPG and found to be fake. If he said yes in writing I'd feel a lot better about it.
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Even that would not be good enough because there is no way this coin is real.
If the seller would say yes, the only thing that would lead me to believe is he is fooled but would in no way suggest it is real.
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The reverse diagnostics are totally wrong for a genuine coin, also, the date has been altered. This coin is not genuine.
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It just doesn't look right to me either.
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Good discussion all - this is really helping me learn about coins.

I studied the stems in the E's on the reverse - The middle part of the E on THIS coin is consistent with other Indians of the early 1870's where the bold N is found. I think this date has been altered.
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Here's one on the coinfacts website that has a strong N. The ebay looks basically the same as that except in a much lower grade. I suspect the coin has been rubbed with oil or something like that, but otherwise I'm not seeing anything that proves this is a fake.

http://www.coinfacts.com/small_cent...__copper.htm
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I would steer clear of this one. I just doesn't look right to me. This is one of those dates that I would not buy raw on the internet.
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compare your coin to this coin.

http://www.coinfacts.com/small_cent...__copper.htm

You will notice right away that even the cheek area on your coin evidences what someone else suspected: casting


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I agree with everyone. THis coin is fake. Weak N on reverse is diangostic- even on higher grade specimens. Someone should report this.
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Quote:

Here's one on the coinfacts website that has a strong N. The ebay looks basically the same as that except in a much lower grade. I suspect the coin has been rubbed with oil or something like that, but otherwise I'm not seeing anything that proves this is a fake.

http://www.coinfacts.com/small_cent...__copper.htm


That coin must be a Proof and not a business strike.

It is POSSIBLE the coin in question is a circulated proof. I do not know the characteristics of the 1877 Proof Indian cent.
Actually the more I compare proof photos to this coin, it becomes more of a possibility that this is a circulated proof... ?
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