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Before And After - 1908 V Nickel

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I have been working on this 1908 nickel I found years ago metal detecting. I am sure I tried a lot of stuff when I first got it, but reading how some on here have tried vinegar, has made the biggest improvement.

I have said on here that I think cleaning coins is ok, and there are many that have disagreed. I think it is just a misunderstand, between cleaning to fool, hide or make others think a coin is something or some grade that it isn't.

I think I have improved this coin for the good. If anyone has any suggestions on how to make it even better, I am open to hear them.
I did not get a photo of the reverse before I started, it was in worse shape than the obverse.



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That has a lot of very nice detail for a dug coin! Cleaning, in this case, takes a hunk of "something" and turns it into a nice looking coin. I could tell it was a Liberty nickel before the cleaning, but now it looks like it's supposed to. You got the "gunk" off of it! I have no suggestions as I don't clean coins, have no need to. I just wanted to concur that cleaning THIS coin was a wise decision, and made for a great looking coin!

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The coin does look sooo much better! I can tell it's been cleaned too. Catch-22 I guess. Some would love to have this coin, others just don't collect cleaned coins period. I guess what you have going for you is that the people who don't collect cleaned coins wouldn't collect really dirty coins either. So, I say great job! Thats a really nice looking coin, now.
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Generally speaking, you don't clean coins - "originality" is a key factor in what is perceived as "quality." A coin which has been noticeably cleaned loses much of its' value. That is fact.

In this case, though, only the hardest of hardcore anti-cleaners could argue that you haven't improved the coin. I'm not one of them.

It wouldn't grade at a TPG before, it won't now. So what?
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I agree with you in this case goldrush. The coin looks a LOT better after the cleaning. Nice!
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It wouldn't grade at a TPG before, it won't now. So what?
A good point. It is most definitely better after the clean-up.
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I agree. Most coins that are improved by cleaning are coins that spent time in the ground. Did you try milder stuff before the vinegar like acetone? You did not specify what you tried.
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Thanks for posting this. I was seriously considering doing a similar post with some of my finds. Before I started metal detecting I was thoroughly indoctrinated in the "never clean, ever" philosophy. Once I started pulling coins like yours (or worse) out of the ground I quickly became a believer that some coins can be taken from ugly and no value to nice and some value with a careful and proper cleaning.
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You did not specify what you tried.


Not to start everyone on a coin cleaning craze, but what did you do to this coin? (This web site is about education...)

(I do agree with SuperDave, I think your "process" improved this coin. Not that I recommend it for others, mind you... but if done properly, (i.e., minimally) and to the correct coin, I think it's a good thing to do).


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that some coins can be taken from ugly


No coins may ever be taken from Ugly, he hoards them.

There are coins that you may want to keep that are simply in need of cleaning/restoration. Metal detecting and restoration of dug finds is practically a hobby in itself and I don't apply the same rules I'd apply to the buying and selling of coins.

One cleaning method I've mentioned before that doesn't receive a lot of attention outside of coin restoration services is the hot and cold method. Freeze the coin in your freezer and then dip it in hot olive oil (taking the normal precautions). Stuff often just plainly falls off coins without impacting whatever details the coin has. It doesn't always work, sometimes you need to repeat the process etc.. but it's very often effective because the crud on the outside of the coin and the coin metal itself expand and contract at different rates.

In the 80's we did an experiment and took this even further using LN2 out of a Dewar we borrowed from the lab but some coins were noticeably fractured (especially copper) because the cold was simply too intense. Here in Central Ontario a mid winter frosty -50 night is perfect for knocking congealed crud off dug coins after a quick swim in hot oil. I've never tried with dry ice but always intended to do so. Maybe one day.
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Nice job...it looks a lot better! It looks like you were careful during the process, that's very important. Too often people cross the line and completely ruin a coin.
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Thanks all

This coin will go with others that I have found metal detecting, separate from my regular coin collecting.

Let me try to remember everything I tried on this coin
- soap and water with soft tooth brush.
- Lighter fluid
- Alcohol, Was trying to figure out something to dissolve the gunk
- Soaked in Olive oil
- Hot peroxide
edit -- did try acetone also

Once I saw the vinegar was working, I kept changing the vinegar every couple days, soaking it for about 3 weeks. Oh, I only had apple cider vinegar at first then switch to white. Yesterday tried the hot peroxide to lighten a couple dark spots and then some wet baking soda paste.
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Vast improvement, nice job.
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